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Old Sep 23, 2010 | 04:08 PM
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Red face Is this normal?

I have an 07 F-350 6.0L where I live we have a lot of steep hills. My question is when climbing steep grades at highway speeds my turbo will run about 20 psi and then I notice the temp. guage start to rise. The temp will show just below the red line and stay there for a couple seconds then go down.

is this normal for a truck to do when not under a load? I would be very afraid to pull a heavy load now since this is how it acts empty. Oh by the way the truck has 167000. miles on it. New to me...
 
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No, not at all normal. These trucks have great cooling capacity, but only when things are working properly.

How is your coolant level?

Do you EVER hear your engine fan come on?
 
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Old Sep 23, 2010 | 05:36 PM
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coolant level is between full cool and minimum. The fan you ask about I think is working off and on as I climb. It is a deep "big truck" roar.
 
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Old Sep 23, 2010 | 05:46 PM
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Assuming the dash gauge is working right, your truck is getting far too hot. On the other hand, it's not boiling over, so you are lucky there. Best get it to the dealer and checked out before it blows the head gaskets or EGR cooler. Or oil cooler.

When the fan starts to roar, does the temp gauge drop? Normally it will drop very fast.

If you want to get more expert input, suggest you drop down to the 6.0 diesel engine forum and ask around there.
 
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Old Sep 23, 2010 | 05:50 PM
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thanks Bill for the input. yes the temp drops quickly, and seems to be fine. I thought something was a little screwy with the temp going up and not under a load.
Thanks again, I will go to the 6.0 forum and check around there.
Have a great day.
 
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Sticky thermostat? Doesn't pop open until it gets past 215*, engine fan stops it from over heating?
 
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Sticky thermostat? Doesn't pop open until it gets past 215*, engine fan stops it from over heating?
Very possible, and also very possible the fan clutch is getting weak and slow to engage.
 
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Old Sep 24, 2010 | 01:27 AM
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Originally Posted by bpounds
and also very possible the fan clutch is getting weak and slow to engage.
I didn't think about the fan not coming on. I don't know what exactly about my fan and clutch the snowplow prep package changed, nor am I entirely sure how many different things affect when the fan engages, but I've had my fan come on at ECT temps as low as 190*. I'm thinking that specific time it came on at 190* might have had something to do with a prolonged 8%+ grade at less than 30mph with a decent trailer tied on jacking up the TFT, but my fan is always on by 210* ECT, which is a good enough bit short of the stock gauge pegging and the engine overheating.

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Also: Coolant Temp
Some say fan kicks on at 210, some say 215, others say 220. Full explanation: Engine temperature is not the only parameter that the PCM monitors to determine cooling fan operation. This is the reason that you will see some variation in engine temperature as it correlates to fan operation. The operation/description of the FSS (Fan Speed Sensor) from the PC/ED manual has a fairly good explanation as to how the system "thinks". This is not your traditional engine hits temp X and the fan clutch locks up. The fan speed sensor is a Hall-Effect sensor integral to the vistronic drive fan (VDF). The powertrain control module (PCM) will monitor sensor inputs and control the VDF speed based upon engine coolant temperature (ECT), transmission fluid temperature (TFT) and intake air temperature (IAT) requirements. When an increase in fan speed for vehicle cooling is requested, the PCM will monitor the FSS signal and output the required pulse width modulated (PWM) signal to a fluid port valve within the VDF. Engine begins to defuel at 221 deg. The thermostat begins to open at about 190*F to 195*F and is not fully open until about 215*F to 219*F..
I can't find the post with the temp levels that make the stock gauge move, but getting anywhere close to the red on the stock gauge is in the 215*+ range IIRC.
 
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The dash gauge is pretty much a idiot light. Diagnosing the problem here could take away from fixing the issue. Your best bet is to get some sort of gauge that either uses the obd2 for readings from the factory sensor or a mechanical gauge. It is highly likely that the oil cooler is on its way out and it will drive the coolant temps up a lot. Either get some diagnostic tools or take it to the dealer. Driving it with those symptoms can lead to costly fixes. Asw with all 6.0 trucks a coolant and oil temp gauge is important along with a egt and fule psi gauge. But that is my opinion on that.
 
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more "stuff" for my truck my wife will love that, but a mans gotta do what a mans gotta do right? Thanks for the info I will start digging into the guages or possibly some type of monitering system. But first can a dealer or good shop test the cooler and fan to determine if it is about to crapp out?
 
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