6.7 back in E-Series?
#1
09-09-2010, 09:21 PM
6.7 back in E-Series?
This is the current orthodox view now:
However, while Ford is busy trying to be modern with a fuel efficient Transit connect, they have been losing market share to GM in the diesel van / ambulance market.
The fact is, the new Transit (full size) will not make a very good ambulance conversion vehicle as it is likely to have small European engines, and possibly not even a diesel in the first few years.
Here is my guess:
Ford can actually fit the 6.7 in the existing E-Series Van / Chassis with a minimum of redesign if they just detuned the power.
That is what was done with the old 6.0 in the van --- it is a detuned version of the 6.0 in the F series.
Dearborn is screaming at every sale lost to GM in the ambulance market, and also in the critical diesel van market, which is surprisingly, large.
With one year under their belt, it is pretty clear that the 6.7 is not likely to be a maintenance nightmare that the 6.0 was initially.
That makes fitting it in the van compelling --- if that is what it takes to recapture market share.
By 2011, GM will add CNG to the lineup, making them the only supplier that have a full range of vans, from CNG, Gas, to Diesel.
Someone at Ford is going to notice they can't afford to lose market share to GM.
So, watch for a reversal of the decision to kill the E-series, at least at the 250/350 and cutaways.
Next, watch for a diesel (6.7) to be offered again as of 2012 model year.
E-Series Van: The E-Series is slated to be killed sometime within the next few years. Timing isn't set in stone, but after it disappears, expect Ford's next-generation Transit Connect to carry on as its replacement.
Transit Connect: The Transit Connect went on sale for the 2010 model year, and Ford will add an electric version of the van later this year. The next-generation Transit Connect will replace Ford's aging E-Series vans and be produced in the U.S., likely Ford's plant in Louisville, Ky. It's expected no earlier than 2013.
The fact is, the new Transit (full size) will not make a very good ambulance conversion vehicle as it is likely to have small European engines, and possibly not even a diesel in the first few years.
Here is my guess:
Ford can actually fit the 6.7 in the existing E-Series Van / Chassis with a minimum of redesign if they just detuned the power.
That is what was done with the old 6.0 in the van --- it is a detuned version of the 6.0 in the F series.
Dearborn is screaming at every sale lost to GM in the ambulance market, and also in the critical diesel van market, which is surprisingly, large.
With one year under their belt, it is pretty clear that the 6.7 is not likely to be a maintenance nightmare that the 6.0 was initially.
That makes fitting it in the van compelling --- if that is what it takes to recapture market share.
By 2011, GM will add CNG to the lineup, making them the only supplier that have a full range of vans, from CNG, Gas, to Diesel.
Someone at Ford is going to notice they can't afford to lose market share to GM.
So, watch for a reversal of the decision to kill the E-series, at least at the 250/350 and cutaways.
Next, watch for a diesel (6.7) to be offered again as of 2012 model year.
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09-09-2010, 10:12 PM
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#4
09-09-2010, 10:41 PM
One small problem. The 6.7L physically will not fit in the current E-Series. Well it would fit, but the doghouse would have to be so big that there would be no place for ones feet.
#6
09-10-2010, 06:16 AM
I work in hospitals all over the country.
The "standard" ambulance I see, most common, is the nose and front 2 door configuration from the E-series. You can tell by the roof line, doors, and the short hood.
There are also the larger ambulances similar to the EMS Rescue trucks out there that do appear to be based on a Chassis-Cab. They have the front hood and doors similar to our pickups. In a Chevy, it looks like a Kodiak sometimes. You also see some Freightliner chassis out there.
The "standard" ambulance I see, most common, is the nose and front 2 door configuration from the E-series. You can tell by the roof line, doors, and the short hood.
There are also the larger ambulances similar to the EMS Rescue trucks out there that do appear to be based on a Chassis-Cab. They have the front hood and doors similar to our pickups. In a Chevy, it looks like a Kodiak sometimes. You also see some Freightliner chassis out there.
#7
09-10-2010, 06:24 AM
I wonder what the 6.0 would have been like if one of the design criterias would not have been; Needs to fit in an E series van.
Would it have had the series plumbed cooling system with the EGR cooler buried under the intake manifold? Would the displacement have been reduced to 6 liters?...................Oil cooler and HPOP system location?
Would it have had the series plumbed cooling system with the EGR cooler buried under the intake manifold? Would the displacement have been reduced to 6 liters?...................Oil cooler and HPOP system location?
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#11
09-18-2010, 05:39 PM
The gossip is the 6.4 fits, and so can the 6.7.
The issue is cooling --- which either need some real interesting engineering (e.g. aux. electric fans) and also a slightly bigger dog house.
IMHO, the 6.7 NEED to go into the E-350/450 simply because there is a need that the Transit / Sprinter cannot fill.
In Europe, Mercedes-Benz sell the Sprinter with a 519CDI (3l) engine that puts out 190hp / 440nm torque.
That is in a chassis with a 2,000lb towing capacity.
Mercedes-Benz UK - Sprinter - Technical data comparison
Maybe for Europe, who generally have smaller engines, that is OK.
But for North American use, that is just not enough power.
Rick,
I have been busy --- you have my email --- try there.
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