Late model power steering pump fitting/adapter
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Late model power steering pump fitting/adapter
Anyone put a late model (black plastic resivior) power steering pump into a older (60s, early 70s) Ford?
I took the hose that fit the '88 pump and the hose that fit my '69 into a hydraulic store, but they said no-go. The late model pump has a non-standard fitting they said. They didn't know what it was called, or where to get it (but he did know what it was, he's seen it before)
Anyone who has done this, how did you accomplish it? Does anyone know where to get the fitting? Or, some sort of adapter? He suggested I try to find a adapter that fits the newer pump and has a AN socket on the other side.
Any help would be great, I have a serpentine setup, so if I run it with no fluid, I'll pop my power steering pump, shred the belt, and have no waterpump
Thanks,
Chris
I took the hose that fit the '88 pump and the hose that fit my '69 into a hydraulic store, but they said no-go. The late model pump has a non-standard fitting they said. They didn't know what it was called, or where to get it (but he did know what it was, he's seen it before)
Anyone who has done this, how did you accomplish it? Does anyone know where to get the fitting? Or, some sort of adapter? He suggested I try to find a adapter that fits the newer pump and has a AN socket on the other side.
Any help would be great, I have a serpentine setup, so if I run it with no fluid, I'll pop my power steering pump, shred the belt, and have no waterpump
Thanks,
Chris
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Ford changed the P/S pumps on everything (Passenger Cars, F100/350's & Bronco's) in 1978...except Econolines.
The 1978 and later P/S pumps have a plastic reservoir with a qwik disconnect fitting used with the P/S pressure hose.
The 1978 and later P/S pressure hoses have a straight end with an o-ring on it, slips into the qwik disconnect fitting.
1965/77 P/S pumps have a steel reservoir. There is no way to install the qwik disconnect fitting on a 1965/77 P/S pump, because the pump's body is totally different.
Not only are the pumps and P/S pressure hoses different 1978 and later, so is the seal kit, and the mounting brackets in most cases. The dipsticks do not interchange either.
The 1978 and later P/S pumps have a plastic reservoir with a qwik disconnect fitting used with the P/S pressure hose.
The 1978 and later P/S pressure hoses have a straight end with an o-ring on it, slips into the qwik disconnect fitting.
1965/77 P/S pumps have a steel reservoir. There is no way to install the qwik disconnect fitting on a 1965/77 P/S pump, because the pump's body is totally different.
Not only are the pumps and P/S pressure hoses different 1978 and later, so is the seal kit, and the mounting brackets in most cases. The dipsticks do not interchange either.
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Ford changed the P/S pumps on everything (Passenger Cars, F100/350's & Bronco's) in 1978...except Econolines.
The 1978 and later P/S pumps have a plastic reservoir with a qwik disconnect fitting used with the P/S pressure hose.
The 1978 and later P/S pressure hoses have a straight end with an o-ring on it, slips into the qwik disconnect fitting.
1965/77 P/S pumps have a steel reservoir. There is no way to install the qwik disconnect fitting on a 1965/77 P/S pump, because the pump's body is totally different.
Not only are the pumps and P/S pressure hoses different 1978 and later, so is the seal kit, and the mounting brackets in most cases. The dipsticks do not interchange either.
The 1978 and later P/S pumps have a plastic reservoir with a qwik disconnect fitting used with the P/S pressure hose.
The 1978 and later P/S pressure hoses have a straight end with an o-ring on it, slips into the qwik disconnect fitting.
1965/77 P/S pumps have a steel reservoir. There is no way to install the qwik disconnect fitting on a 1965/77 P/S pump, because the pump's body is totally different.
Not only are the pumps and P/S pressure hoses different 1978 and later, so is the seal kit, and the mounting brackets in most cases. The dipsticks do not interchange either.
I am keeping the '88 accessories, and want to keep the pump. So I need to have a hose made that goes between the stock steering control valve and the newer pump. Not trying to interchange pumps or hoses.
The hydraulic shop doesn't know where to get the fitting I need...
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I have a 1969 Mustang, originally had a 2bbl 302/C4 that I replaced with a '88 5.0/AOD combo.
I am keeping all the '88 accessories, and want to keep the newer pump. I've never had problems with the newer pumps on my cars, I believe the plastic pump works fine as long as you change your fluid frequently.
I need to find a source for the fitting that goes into the pump, or a adapter that goes between the pump outlet and a more common fitting, like AN...
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I have a 1969 Mustang, originally had a 2bbl 302/C4 that I replaced with a '88 5.0/AOD combo.
I am keeping all the '88 accessories, and want to keep the newer pump. I've never had problems with the newer pumps on my cars, I believe the plastic pump works fine as long as you change your fluid frequently.
I need to find a source for the fitting that goes into the pump, or a adapter that goes between the pump outlet and a more common fitting, like AN...
I am keeping all the '88 accessories, and want to keep the newer pump. I've never had problems with the newer pumps on my cars, I believe the plastic pump works fine as long as you change your fluid frequently.
I need to find a source for the fitting that goes into the pump, or a adapter that goes between the pump outlet and a more common fitting, like AN...
There is no way...none, that you can install the 1978 and later P/S pump qwik disconnect fitting into a 1965/77 pump. It's not just the plastic reservoir that is different, the entire pump is different, so is the seal kit. You cannot use a 1965/77 seal kit in a 1978 and later pump and vice versa.
The qwik disconnect fitting is actually composed of 12 separate parts, none will fit into the 1977 and earlier pump. It cannot be done.
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There is no way...none, that you can install the 1978 and later P/S pump qwik disconnect fitting into a 1965/77 pump. It's not just the plastic reservoir that is different, the entire pump is different, so is the seal kit. You cannot use a 1965/77 seal kit in a 1978 and later pump and vice versa.
The qwik disconnect fitting is actually composed of 12 separate parts, none will fit into the 1977 and earlier pump. It cannot be done.
My basic problem is, I am having a custom hose made, and the hydraulic shop doesn't have the correct fitting to go into the '88 pump. If I can source it, they can make me the hose.
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This is going to become a bigger problem, soon. I've still never managed to find the fitting I need for the pump.
To reiterate, I have a '88 pump (black plastic) and I need to have a custom hose made for it.
I need to find either the threaded fitting that goes into the pump that I can have installed on a new hose, or I need a fitting that threads into the '88 pump and adapts it to something else, such as AN.
To reiterate, I have a '88 pump (black plastic) and I need to have a custom hose made for it.
I need to find either the threaded fitting that goes into the pump that I can have installed on a new hose, or I need a fitting that threads into the '88 pump and adapts it to something else, such as AN.
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On the Ford C II pump, the outlet fitting also holds in the pressure relieve valve body. And the pressure hose assembly can pivot in the fitting, made to do that.
What about finding a suitable NEW hose assembly for the C II pump, taking it to the hydraulic place, and have them cut the other end off of it, and put some kind of hose to threaded fitting there. Then have them take a mating threaded-to-hose fitting, and put that one onto a length of hose, then put what your old steering gear needs on the other end of this second hose.
So you end up with a hose that has C II compatible swivel quick-connect fitting on one end, and a 1969 compatible fitting on the other end. And in the middle of the hose or so, it has the twonew fittings creating a splice.
Even better, they might have a hose-to-hose splice, that crimps onto both hoses, so no threaded connection would be needed between them.
Just need enough free hose length so the hose lays properly without stressing the C II swivel, the engine can torque on mounts and not stress hose, and not so much hose that it hits the exhaust manifold
What about finding a suitable NEW hose assembly for the C II pump, taking it to the hydraulic place, and have them cut the other end off of it, and put some kind of hose to threaded fitting there. Then have them take a mating threaded-to-hose fitting, and put that one onto a length of hose, then put what your old steering gear needs on the other end of this second hose.
So you end up with a hose that has C II compatible swivel quick-connect fitting on one end, and a 1969 compatible fitting on the other end. And in the middle of the hose or so, it has the twonew fittings creating a splice.
Even better, they might have a hose-to-hose splice, that crimps onto both hoses, so no threaded connection would be needed between them.
Just need enough free hose length so the hose lays properly without stressing the C II swivel, the engine can torque on mounts and not stress hose, and not so much hose that it hits the exhaust manifold
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More info. You can look up a 1988 Mercury Grand Marquis on rockauto.com to see what the tubing end should look like. They describe it as a 3/8" swivel O ring Type I.
Googling that found a Gates pdf document that has pre-made 3/8" power steering tubing sections that have the 3/8" swivel o ring end on them. Maybe the hyd. shop can order some. Look at the bottom of page 6 (the brochure's page 6) for:
Male Swivel O-Ring
3/8" (Type I) they have 12" and 24" lengths.
http://www.gates.com/downloads/downl...older=brochure
The brochure might take a while to load.
Googling that found a Gates pdf document that has pre-made 3/8" power steering tubing sections that have the 3/8" swivel o ring end on them. Maybe the hyd. shop can order some. Look at the bottom of page 6 (the brochure's page 6) for:
Male Swivel O-Ring
3/8" (Type I) they have 12" and 24" lengths.
http://www.gates.com/downloads/downl...older=brochure
The brochure might take a while to load.
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