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Old Aug 22, 2010 | 05:56 PM
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E.M.P. - electromagnetic pulse (whether by nuclear or solar sources)

I was just wondering what it would take. I'm not trying to make a joke out of this. I'm not looking for snide comments. I'm looking for realistic answers. Yes, I understand that a solar event might "refry" everything. I also understand that in a nuclear event I might have bigger concerns. Trust me, I'm aware.

Does anyone have any suggestions for parts vulnerability?

Obviously the computer would need to be replaced. From what I've read, the wires should be ok. Do I need to replace sensors (temp., cps, etc)? Do those sensors even contain circuits that would be effected?

I just don't know enough about these trucks or about the "real" effects of EMP. I've read multiple versions of what might happen and so I figure even being partially prepared is better than nothing.

I'm looking for a list of electrical parts to be wrapped in foil that I could carry in a sealed ammo can behind the rear seat. It does me no good sitting in my shop when I'm 30 miles (2 days walk) away.
 
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Old Aug 22, 2010 | 06:03 PM
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I think you should lead line your ammo can.
 
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Old Aug 22, 2010 | 06:21 PM
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Old Aug 22, 2010 | 06:35 PM
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Thanks, Wayne. I considered that but I think a foil wrap followed by a plastic layer to prevent metal to metal on the ammo can should suffice. I might double wrap it with another layer of foil and plastic (ziploc) but I don't thing the lead will be needed.


Stewart, I honestly did read those. Spent the past 6 hours doing it. It's raining and I was bored and curious.

I just wanted a list of what some of you thought might be susceptible components on a 7.3 diesel.

Am I the only one who has considered this?

I also don't need a list of vehicles that would survive. I don't have money for another vehicle to maintain.
 
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Old Aug 22, 2010 | 06:52 PM
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Not to stray too far from the topic, but I wonder if the Pres' limo is EMP proof?
 
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Old Aug 22, 2010 | 06:53 PM
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I don't know if the sensors will be effected, but PCM and IDM would definitely go out with the truck running. You'd lose the PCM with the truck shut off unless you put in a battery disconnect so the computer had no power.

A spare radio, preferably one that can pick up shortwave or emergency bands would also be a good idea. And don't forget to throw desiccant dryer in the box to guard against moisture.
 
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Old Aug 22, 2010 | 07:54 PM
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i was think the same thing i would like mine to be protected on the truck and not need a new PCM.
 
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Old Aug 22, 2010 | 09:04 PM
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From what I have read, any computer that is not electrically isolated and shielded would be damaged by an EMP. Since you cannot isolate a PCM that is attached to the system, it would be best to have spares that are shielded. I do not believe that the sensors would be vulnerable unless they have a computer chip in them.
 
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Old Aug 22, 2010 | 11:41 PM
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In theory, it should be possible to modify the PCM's and IDM's inputs and outputs to withstand an EMP. It shouldn't be all that complex.

I don't think I'm gonna', however.

I have better things on which to use a soldering iron....

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Old Aug 23, 2010 | 04:42 AM
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technically you would think because the vehicle is separated from the ground and the emp energy doesn't have a path to travel that the electronics wouldn't be effected in the vehicle and since the body on our trucks are made of metal that the body would take care of all the energy that would be splashed on the truck.

How ever I have read conflicting stories that an emp hitting a vehicle that is not grounded wouldn't hurt it and an emp hitting a vehicle with grounds strips wouldn't hurt it as the grounds strips give the energy a path to travel.

You would also think that if the body was penetrated that all that energy would smoke the batteries as they are basically blocks packed with electrons and all that energy would seriously mess them up.

Maybe one of these days when I have the time I can experiment with it and see what happens as this would be great information to know to help protect one's self from what seems to be the up coming inevitable.
 
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Old Aug 23, 2010 | 10:24 AM
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I'm really not looking to build a mobile faraday cage around my truck. I definitely know there will be no soldering of wires on my truck either. I don"t even solder my stereo wires together. Sheesh, I'd kill my truck faster than an EMP...

I really am just requesting a list of parts that would be destroyed. I've already purchased the spare computer. It's used but I tried it on the truck and it ran fine.

Can a 2000 7.3 with a manual transmission continue running if the computer was toast? Can it run without the batteries?

Is there a sticky on here that shows a "how it works" style diagram of our specific engine? Maybe even just an explanation of parts and their use-age?
 
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Old Aug 23, 2010 | 11:18 AM
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As to your last question, I don't think I'm the best to answer that but as to the manual trannie, no, without batteries the answer is no because the IDM requires 10.5v to fire the injectors, but as long as you have 10.5v to 12v, even if you don't have enough current to turn the truck over then yes, one with a manual trannie, if he could get the truck moving at all could start the truck by popping the clutch as long as the PCM and IDM are still functional.
 
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Old Aug 23, 2010 | 11:30 AM
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I am thinking. If we were to get hit, and you had the only vehicle running. There could be trouble. Might need a good army to keep folks from stealing it from you. Plus you will have to steel fuel to keep it running. Stations will be down. Just a very ugly time that would be for all.. It would make good people turn bad just to survive.
 
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Old Aug 23, 2010 | 04:01 PM
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Just toss a bicycle in the back, and you will be good to go.
 
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Old Aug 23, 2010 | 06:14 PM
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Bicycles will be in a hot comity also.. That will be the main transportation method. And will quickly grow to the most stolen Item, Next to food and water. And if you do have cash and go get some groceries, if you can find a grocery store selling that hasn't been looded while on that bicycle. Hope you don't get mugged riding down the street.

Even the banks will be shut down. NO Money or means to get money. .. Only the folks with generators(non circuit board type) will have power until those are stolen or run out of gas.. Narley thought isn't it.
 
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