I get my Halvoline at Sams Club, I might have to stock up and check the specs and price.

 

After months of searching, finally found some new recipe Havoline, the Wife scored me a case of 5W-30 SN/GF-5 at Advance Auto for $2.49qt, so I finally got to change the 94 Taurus 3.8L & 99 Ranger 4.0L pushrod engines over to the new SN/GF-5 recipe last week.

Both engines were using the specified 5W-30 viscosity, in the SM/GF-4 Havoline recipe, with the specified Motorcraft oil filters, so the only change is the new recipe SN/GF-5 Havoline & it isn't my imagination, both engines are noticeably quieter, on a cold start, or at warm idle.

I had noticed the same thing last summer, when I changed the wifes newly inherited OHC Neon over to 5W-30 Havoline & a larger sized Motorcraft filter, but thought maybe the noticeably quieter engine at start up & warm idle, was probably due to the larger sized & type construction filter change, but now I'm not so sure it was All due to the filter!!!!

Anyone else using the new SN/GF-5 recipe 5w-30 Havoline, notice any difference in their engine noise level, ect????

 

The major differences between GF-4 and GF-5 are oxidation thickening, piston deposits and foaming. The first two demand still better base oils, which make it semi-synthetic and therefore could be less noise at startup.

On the subject of corporate strategy, Chevron just beat earnings estimate. I was surprised to see a new Texaco station replace a Valero. Texaco has been absent from the SoCal market for quite a while, with all of them being Chevron branded.

 

My local WallyWorld finally got some 5W-30 SN/GF-5 Havoline 5qt jugs in at $13.24, so the wifes inherited Neon got the new recipe SN Havoline, with a FL400-s filter & it's a little quieter still on start up, than it was with the SM recipe Havoline & the SM had made it a good bit quieter, in fact it had cured the start up knock that it's always had.

So far the Rangers 4.0L & Taurus 3.8L engines are liking the SN Havoline recipe.

The WallyWorld price here is only about $1 more for the Havoline SN 5qt jug, compaired to the SM spec 5qt size.

Mobil Super5000 SN is about $1 less than the Havoline & about $3 less than the PYB 5qt jug, so EXXON/Mobil is putting the hurt price wise on it's competition!!!!

Some good oil out there at reasonable prices. Wonder what kind of specials we'll see for the Memorial Day Holiday?????

 

Changed the Granddaughters Nissan Altima 2.4L OHC engine over to SN/GF-5 Havoline 5W-30 & a P One Purolator filter & you could hear the engines tickety tickety that it had before the oil change, quiet down & stop, as the Havoline coursed through it's veins. So now it's all 4 family vehicles engines that are noticeably quieter with the SN/GF-5 Havoline recipe. For a while I thought maybe it was me, but these are 4 different vehicles & engines & all have become noticeably quieter running with the new SN/GF-5 recipe, so now I'm convinced it's not my imagination!!!!!
Edit: Will be interesting to see if they all remain quiet through the OCI & if any begin to consume any of it!!!!

 

Well 2 of our 4 vehicles consumed 1/2 qt each of the Havoline SN 5w-30, the 94 Taurus 3.8L with 129K & the 2000 Dodge Neon 2.0L SHOC with 50K, both of which had never consumed oil between changes, so it made me wonder if Chevron had let Havoline NOACK get away from them.

Shure enough this week PQIA posted some more lube results & Havoline 5w-30 SN was among them & it's NOACK % evaporation loss had jumped up to 15.5% & retested at 15.1%, on samples purchased Sep this year. Shell & a couple of others also tested close to the max 15% value also.

I'm not impressed with higher % evaporation loss levels of the new SN recipe lubes. From all the hoopla over the new spec, I sure expected Way better performance than what we seem to be getting & I know they can do better.

So any of you with hot running engines & using any of the new SN recipe lubes with higher NOACK % evaporation levels, better keep a check on your engines oil sump level.

 

Well Chevron now says their GF-5 OLA 55501 ad pack meets or exceeds GM dexos-1, BUT they don't say it's licensed!!!!!
About Oronite

They do have one or two oils that say on it's data sheet, that it meets or exceeds dexos-1, kinda like Valvolene has been saying. So lube blending folks are still resisting paying a dexos license fee, just advertise your product meets or exceeds the dexos-1 spec & see if anyone bites.

 

I understand the GM strategy of having one oil spec worldwide, because most customers in North America do not go back to the dealer for service, there is resistance to mfr-based specs in place of API, which Oldsmobile division of GM was one of its biggest boosters way back.

Drivers of German brand cars are used to this, but US, Japanese and Korean make up the majority of new car sales. Quick lubes want to have a bulk tank of 5W-20 and be done with it. Thats not going to happen. 0W-20 full syn is already factory fill on many Japanese brand cars now. Will Ford and Fiatsyler follow? GM is staying with 5W-30 (Dexos 1) for now.

Mfr-specific ATF formulations have multiplied in the last few years, ATF+4 being about the worst example because Chrysler resisted licensing anyone except PetroCanada. They just barely got away with it under the warranty law, because transmission service is not required within the warranty period.

It seems that Dexos1 requires a full-syn base oil, not just a robust add pack, so the add pack alone cannot be licensed, only the finished lube. I've only seen Pennzoil Platinum and some flavor of Mobil One with the Dexos1 logo. The fee is what the industry is resisting, and for good reason.

 

How many miles, months and type of driving?

I purchased my 99 Ranger 4x2 Supercab 2.5L 5 speed used in December 2005 with 75K miles on it. Engine was smooth and quite, the Ford dealer I bought it from was in Iowa and they changed the oil with "NorthLand Lubricants" 5w30. At 3000 miles I changed it with TropArtic semi syn blend 5w30 and Motorcraft filter. After about 50 miles and a few days I noticed a ticking sound from the valve cover when the engine was cold that would go a way when warmed up. Over the next several 3K oil changes I tried Motorcraft in both 5w30 and 5w20, Valvoline full synthetic in 5w30 and Valvoline Maxlife Red Bottle (blend) in both 5w20 and 5w30 all with Motorcraft oil filter.

I now 6 years later and at 160K miles have been using Maxlife Redbottle 5w30 at 5K mile changes with the same noise and NO oil consumption. My 16 year old son now drives the 99 and I will be going back to 3k changes due to short trips and cold temps.

Here in SD Havoline is not very common and all the Texaco stations are now Shell. We have NO Chevron stations and I have not seen any retail stores that sell Chevron oil.

Currently in my new 2011 Ranger with the soch 4.0L V6 I am running Motorcraft 5w30 blend and motorcraft filter. I changed the facory fill at 2K miles and now have 4K on the truck. I plan on changing again at 3k or 5000 miles on the truck. As I have said in my thread about what oil to use, I am still undecided what to use long term as my main concern is keeping the timing chain and its tennsioners from wearing.
Dan

 

quote: How many miles, months and type of driving?

I purchased my 99 Ranger 4x2 Supercab 2.5L 5 speed used in December 2005 with 75K miles on it. Engine was smooth and quite, the Ford dealer I bought it from was in Iowa and they changed the oil with "NorthLand Lubricants" 5w30. At 3000 miles I changed it with TropArtic semi syn blend 5w30 and Motorcraft filter. After about 50 miles and a few days I noticed a ticking sound from the valve cover when the engine was cold that would go a way when warmed up. Over the next several 3K oil changes I tried Motorcraft in both 5w30 and 5w20, Valvoline full synthetic in 5w30 and Valvoline Maxlife Red Bottle (blend) in both 5w20 and 5w30 all with Motorcraft oil filter.

I now 6 years later and at 160K miles have been using Maxlife Redbottle 5w30 at 5K mile changes with the same noise and NO oil consumption. My 16 year old son now drives the 99 and I will be going back to 3k changes due to short trips and cold temps.

Here in SD Havoline is not very common and all the Texaco stations are now Shell. We have NO Chevron stations and I have not seen any retail stores that sell Chevron oil.

Currently in my new 2011 Ranger with the soch 4.0L V6 I am running Motorcraft 5w30 blend and motorcraft filter. I changed the facory fill at 2K miles and now have 4K on the truck. I plan on changing again at 3k or 5000 miles on the truck. As I have said in my thread about what oil to use, I am still undecided what to use long term as my main concern is keeping the timing chain and its tennsioners from wearing.
Dan
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Both engines had around 1-2K miles on them at the time they were found to be down & topped off with more 5W30 Havoline SN, from the same lot of oil.
Neither used any more oil until they were recently drained for their regular 6 month OCI.

The OHC Neon had about 4500 miles of long & short trip summer type driving, the Taurus had all short trip, 10 miles or less, around town stop & go type summer driving.

They were both changed with more Havoline SN 5W30 & Motorcraft filters. I'm a long time Havoline user, more than 50 years now & this is the first time I've ever had an engine consume some oil between changes. Will be interesting to see if these two use any over the next 6 months.

To be fair, my 99 Ranger 4.0L pushrod engine, using Havoline SN 5W30, which got all towing time of about 60 miles round trip, over & through the Blue Ridge mountains, dragging my 17ft Bass Tracker to the lake in hot weather, didn't use Any oil on it's 6 month OCI, but it was only driven 2000 miles total this year before it got changed, but 99% of that was towing in hot weather!!!!?????

The Grand Daughters 01 OHC Nissan Altima hasn't used any so far, but it's only been in there since July & not more than 1K miles on it.

All 4 engines are Noticeably more quiet on the new SN recipe Havoline, so we'll see how its consumption goes over time in all of our engines. IF consumption continues on the two vehicles, I'll try Chevron Supreme SN next change, as according to the PQIA VOA, it's carrying more moly than the SN Havoline now is, so I'll see how the SN Chevron Supreme recipe goes if I need too.

For the tic sound you might try the Havoline in the specified viscosity & grade & see how it goes. The largest change in noise quieting came on the Neon & Nissan OHC engines. The Neon using the Dealers Mobil 5w30 Clean, or Clean 5000, with the specified MoPar oil filter, always made a brief knock on start up & the engine wasn't quiet at idle. With the Havoline SN 5W30 & a Motorcraft FL-400S filter, NO startup knock & its really quiet at idle now, sounds danged good not to hear that start up knock.

The Nissan valve train made a light tickety, tickety sound at hot idle with Castrol 5W30 in it & I don't remember who's filter it had on it, but with the Havoline SN 5w30 & a PureOne Purolator filter, you could hear it quiet right down on start up after the oil & filter change, no more tickety, tickety from the Nissans valve train & both the Nissan & Neon engines remain quiet.

Around here most WalMarts, auto parts, farm & grocery stores carry Havoline or Chevron motor oils.

I've used Havoline for a long time in all my equiptment with stellar results, no gum, no varnish, no sludge, No Problems, so I go out of my way to find what I need.
Lots of good motor oil out there now though, so if we stick to a brand name oil & filter & change them as specified by the mfgr, we'll likely have good results. Its just that over the years, some oils & filters have performed better for me, in my equipt, under my weather & use conditions, so I "don't try to fix what aint broke", as the old timers used to say to us youngsters!!!!! lol

Don't be afraid to try Havoline or Chevron if you want to, you might be pleasantly surprised!!!!

 

A link to 3 UOA's with Havoline SM/GF-4 & the last one with SN/GF-5, stellar low wear numbers. Too bad he didn't have a base number done on the new recipe SN/GF-5, as the SN recipe is supposed to have improved base number retention, would have been interesting to see how much it improved over the previous one he had done.
2004 Mitsu Diamante, havoline 5w30, 4.2k mi. - Bob Is The Oil Guy.

 

Well it looks like Chevron Oronite now has a new ad pack for most GP-2 & 3 base oils that now meets dexos-1, as well as GF-5/SN. its OLOA 55503 https://www.oronite.com/products/gf5.asp