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Old Aug 8, 2010 | 04:02 PM
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2ND gear slipping?

so here in the last few days my truck acted like second was slipping and now im wondering if its skipping?either something is worn out or a solenoid is bad in the tranny.what you all think?im just hoping to limp it along til i come across a zf5.
 
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Old Aug 8, 2010 | 04:21 PM
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how many miles? what tranny? if slipping could be bands or clutch pack.
 
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Old Aug 8, 2010 | 04:24 PM
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E4OD most likely, and if you were having torque converter problems it would be across the entire range, mine grenaded and left me stranded while shredding everything in the trans. I would bet it is something internal but how are the fluid levels. Try some lucas trans fix and see if that helps, might.
 
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Old Aug 8, 2010 | 06:25 PM
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Solenoids either work or they don't. Its very unlikely that they will cause a slide or mushy shift.

Is there any difference when the transmission is hot or cold? Could be the clutch pack wearing out.
 
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Old Aug 8, 2010 | 06:46 PM
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199k miles and yep its an e40d no difference with hot or cold but if i manually shift into second at about 2700 rpm it dont slip.im thinking that its time for a tear down and fluid levels are fine and only has maybe 2000 miles on it.maybe i willl try some lucas
 
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Old Aug 8, 2010 | 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by rupejosh
199k miles and yep its an e40d no difference with hot or cold but if i manually shift into second at about 2700 rpm it dont slip.im thinking that its time for a tear down and fluid levels are fine and only has maybe 2000 miles on it.maybe i willl try some lucas
When you allow the transmission to automatically shift into 2nd gear, its using an internal clutch pack inside the rotating assembly. When you use the lever to engage manual "2", it uses the external band that clamps down on the drum assembly from the outside. This is why you can still get 2nd gear even without any electrical. The manual 2nd gear function over rides the solenoid body hydraulic routing and is given priority when used. Found this out when I had an electrical problem with mine a couple years back. The PCM would try and command 3rd gear but I could still force it into 2nd manually.

(MLPS was wired wrong at the time and it now automatically agrees with 2nd gear whenever I manually move to "2". Karl Baumann explained how manual 2 over rides automatic 2nd gear when I was troubleshooting the problem)

The band is only used for manual 2nd gear selection (not sure if it plays a role in manual 1) and is never activated via the PCM. So it could definitely grab hard in even a worn out transmission because its not normally used. This is actually one of the things I like about the E4OD because it offers some redundancy for the intermediate range.
 
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Old Aug 8, 2010 | 10:56 PM
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so what ya think probably rip it apart?im just hoping it wont die til the spring ,hunting season starts next saturday and i will probably put around 1500-2000 miles on it between now and then
 
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Old Aug 9, 2010 | 12:08 AM
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Well you could always limp home by manually shifting it if intermediate pack finally on you.

I would go very easy on that transmission if you are planning a longer trip with it. Pay VERY close attention in the mean time.
 
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Old Aug 9, 2010 | 01:28 AM
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not really long trips just a couple hours drive away with a crap load of logging roads
 
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Old Aug 9, 2010 | 08:29 PM
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ok so i got to thinking IF i found another e40d i should be able to just swap bell housings and make it fit right?that would make life much easier cause if i did i would look for a 97 and up since they are built beefier
 
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Old Aug 9, 2010 | 08:41 PM
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i think they changed the plug connections on transmission so you would have to get plugs also. not 100% on that though.
 
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Old Aug 9, 2010 | 08:43 PM
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never mind i just figured out the bell housing and case is one solid piece
 
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Old Aug 9, 2010 | 10:58 PM
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You forgot, the four speed is the only transmission that has a seperate bell housing behind the diesel.
 
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Old Aug 9, 2010 | 11:31 PM
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ahh jeez i really hate transmissions.lol
 
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Old Aug 10, 2010 | 02:13 AM
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ahh jeez i really hate transmissions.lol
Aha! now we hear the rest. Its no wonder the thing is slipping on you. Trucks have feelings too ya know....
 
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