rotella ELC in my 6.0l?
Laughing Gas
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I went out shopping for some coolant today, Rotella, Texaco concentrate could not be found . The International dealer did have Cat 50/50, Fleetrite 50/50 & Fleetguard EG compleat concentrate. Would the Fleetguard be the same as Rotella or Texaco? the guys behind the counter couldn't tell me, all they could say is it was purplish in color.
If you find a coolant that meets the Caterpillar spec of "EC-1" it should work just fine.
http://www.cat.com/cda/files/87058/7/elcfaq.pdf
Fleet Mechanic
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And given how many people are involved in the design of an engine as complex as the 6.0, it's entirely possible that someone "didn't get the memo" on some design choices.
-blaine
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I sure hear you on that ... however, if it is an issue with the selected metallurgy on a heater element that is never run, it is "101". I mean the entire objective of the element is to be inserted in the coolant. If one is not compatible with the other (or even if there are dissimilar metals touching each other at the heating element), it is not a complicated issue, it is a huge mistake (as always .... IMO).
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I sure hear you on that ... however, if it is an issue with the selected metallurgy on a heater element that is never run, it is "101". I mean the entire objective of the element is to be inserted in the coolant. If one is not compatible with the other (or even if there are dissimilar metals touching each other at the heating element), it is not a complicated issue, it is a huge mistake (as always .... IMO).
Your inbox is full Mark---Time to empty messages again
I read some time ago that there were documented cases of the block heater elements "corroding" to the point of plugging the oil coolers, but don't remember where, and at that point the element's were changed in some way??? I've slept since then though.
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Does anyone know if Navistar changed their in-house coolant spec in 1/06/06?
The thought just occurred to my sleep-deprived brain that the block heater may be pulling the same trick as a home electric water-heater element in hard water. Especially if silicate dropout is as bad as we're theorizing... It might not be the element-in-coolant chemistry that's the problem; it might be the element-covered-in-silicates that's the issue, and the element reacting with the silicates.
-blaine
The thought just occurred to my sleep-deprived brain that the block heater may be pulling the same trick as a home electric water-heater element in hard water. Especially if silicate dropout is as bad as we're theorizing... It might not be the element-in-coolant chemistry that's the problem; it might be the element-covered-in-silicates that's the issue, and the element reacting with the silicates.
-blaine
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I can't site any sources for my opinion. But, if you have ever seen the inside of a boiler, or even a coffee vending machine, you might agree with me.
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Laughing Gas
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From: Minnesota
Please take some time to read this and let us know your take on it!
After reading this, it seems to me that at least Cat ELC would be good to go in the 6.0.
Technical Information for Extended Life Antifreeze Additive Packages
After reading this, it seems to me that at least Cat ELC would be good to go in the 6.0.
Technical Information for Extended Life Antifreeze Additive Packages
Laughing Gas
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From: Minnesota
More findings!
In the picture of the GO-5 coolant under Specifications it lists "ASTM D3306", the Cat ELC has the same listing, as well as the Rotella ELC, that would tell me that it is ok the use it in the PSD 6.0.
What do you think?
Imageshack - g05warningjz7.jpg
http://www.cat.com/cda/files/1386276/7/PEHJ0067-02.pdf
http://www.shellusserver.com/product...RotellaELC.pdf
http://www.webacorp.com/antifreeze-A40.html
In the picture of the GO-5 coolant under Specifications it lists "ASTM D3306", the Cat ELC has the same listing, as well as the Rotella ELC, that would tell me that it is ok the use it in the PSD 6.0.
What do you think?
Imageshack - g05warningjz7.jpg
http://www.cat.com/cda/files/1386276/7/PEHJ0067-02.pdf
http://www.shellusserver.com/product...RotellaELC.pdf
http://www.webacorp.com/antifreeze-A40.html
Last edited by jdw1; Aug 22, 2010 at 06:26 AM. Reason: more info
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More findings!
In the picture of the GO-5 coolant under Specifications it lists "ASTM D3306", the Cat ELC has the same listing, as well as the Rotella ELC, that would tell me that it is ok the use it in the PSD 6.0.
What do you think?
Imageshack - g05warningjz7.jpg
http://www.cat.com/cda/files/1386276/7/PEHJ0067-02.pdf
http://www.shellusserver.com/product...RotellaELC.pdf
METALGUARD A40 Extended Life Antifreeze Additive Package
In the picture of the GO-5 coolant under Specifications it lists "ASTM D3306", the Cat ELC has the same listing, as well as the Rotella ELC, that would tell me that it is ok the use it in the PSD 6.0.
What do you think?
Imageshack - g05warningjz7.jpg
http://www.cat.com/cda/files/1386276/7/PEHJ0067-02.pdf
http://www.shellusserver.com/product...RotellaELC.pdf
METALGUARD A40 Extended Life Antifreeze Additive Package
ASTM D3306 -10 Standard Specification for Glycol Base Engine Coolant for Automobile and Light-Duty Service
Laughing Gas
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From: Minnesota
That specification means it is an ethylene glycol formulation certified for light duty ( automobiles).
ASTM D3306 -10 Standard Specification for Glycol Base Engine Coolant for Automobile and Light-Duty Service
ASTM D3306 -10 Standard Specification for Glycol Base Engine Coolant for Automobile and Light-Duty Service
Elder User
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+2 All the more reason to get rid of the EGR system all together once your warranty is up! Diesel engines were never designed to be run with an EGR system effectively, but I won't get started on that right now.
