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Old Jul 15, 2010 | 08:53 PM
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crank trashed, help/advice please

hi fella,s paul here, its been awhile,
nick and i ate up our crank big time in our mighty 400. it is beyond repair believe me. my ?. is a new stock 400 crank still available from big blue. rough cost if so.
we are open to other brands or suggestion,s. that,s why i am here asking you veterans on this series.
we have decided this time around not to use a crank that has been run. not this time. been there ,

how about aftermarket, any particular one you good ole boys like better than blue.
this particular 400 is close to the standard tim meyer 400 build that many of you know so well. almost cookie cutter if you will. what i mean by this is i do not believe a forged crank is a must have for our hp/torque numbers. but i will spring for the extra cost if it is the way to get a crank you boys prefer over stock ford. this should get me started. if you all want the entire rundown on specs before you reply i will do it pronto. i am really asking for help guys. thanks. paul md.
 
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Old Jul 16, 2010 | 09:08 AM
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What happened to the crank ? Did you first get the block align honed, crank balanced, chamfered the oil holes in the crank, rods resized, bearings clearanced ?
 
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Old Jul 16, 2010 | 10:05 AM
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mark a, paul,

please tolerate length of post. i am simply not capable of sound bites.
to begin, thank you for reply, we know your handle from YEARS of having the priveledge to be members here,

mark, we broke her down last nite. the exact cause as of yet we cannot say right now. we will know more tonight when nick gets home from work and we lookie see more under good light and magnification. i am often misunderstood when i post, but the fault is mine. a medical issue that dinks with me.
having said that, please before i go one more key. i make this as clear as i am capable of. we have, absoultely, without quarter, no issue,s or anything to rethink or doubt about Mr Tim Meyer, his company, and his parts. he has been one of our best supporters, along with many members here who took the time to pm nick and really answer his ?,s. his support, his work and his parts have be been FLAWLESS. no a-- kis-. just the simple facts.
our motor. mark, yes sir you bet. a good piece of change was tendered to a GOOD indy, well known and respected in our neck of the woods. been at it proffessionaly since 1967. family owned, 3 gens that i know of. best we got in our parts.

line honed.
bored off the crank centerline.
block decked and again, off the centerline. of crank.
crank bore comes first and everything after holds or works off that point.
cuze me overlooked the basics . absouletely. tanked, spray washed, magged, we chamfered returns, cleaned up block flash and ten other things before we even brought the block to our very good indy.
our indy agreed, concured with tims oil passage mods. said tim doe,s it the same way he does. old news for both those indys.
crank, used from tim. ground .010 undersize from tim.
checked passed by my indy, no work or mods. was good as delievered.
complete set of tims reworked stock rods. again checked and passed my indys critical eye and precision measuring tools.
kevco wide mouth pan with swinging trap door that DID NOT malfunction
new MELLING pump properly clearenecd // ie. pickup to pan .
the oil pump this time we did change up on.
we have never supported or believed in quote. hi-press pumps.
we prefer hi- volume thow. use them alot.
but this time we went with again a new, but stock volumne and press pump. cuz of concerns over possible suck pan dry, aerate and so forth.
balance. you bet, would not even consider any less. in fact, we took as far as we could without getting silly over it
i mean 100% complete rotating mass as best we could. from the complete flywheel and pressure plate assembly, right on down to the damp. (tims. sweet piece.) the key and the snout bolt. complete as a unit. look i will stop now. i did my best to get us started, there is more much more, but we would be gratefull for your help so far. i will answer anything you ask strait up. tx mark, respectfully paul.md please just this once, forgive the spelling. i know its trashy but i am under fire at the minute, no time. PLEASE overlook and not judge on this post
 
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Old Jul 16, 2010 | 10:11 AM
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listen, this out of respect for you cuz we know YOU know the oil system on this series. this is imp for you before you reply if you do. yes sir Mark, we did have new CAM and more imp NEW cam bearings. critical to 400.s right. you bet boss again tx me.
 
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Old Jul 16, 2010 | 10:23 AM
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mark, chit

i,m sorry but you need to know to be fair to U.
arp studs on mains and heads.
351 clevo windage tray supplied by tim with a prior heads up it would require slight mods to fit. what a strait up guy. for the record the mods he spoke of where childs play. no problem. 2 bolt main. girdles we do not have only cuz the checkbook was done. peace and tx us
 
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Old Jul 16, 2010 | 10:39 AM
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Hi paul!
I think theres no aftermarket crank for a 400, well that i know of, but destroing a crank is a mayor issue that i wouldnt attribute to the crank itself, theres gotta be another issue that you are not seeing here, what gave up the bad crank? knocking? low preasure? destroyed how? Broken?
 
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Old Jul 16, 2010 | 10:56 AM
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jeez, fte

i have been working very hard to give Mr mark facts that he needs and asked for to make a reply that represents his know how. whoever cleaned up my post has a for real MARKER with me. god bless, i keep the faith and THANK YOU. done paul md
 
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Old Jul 16, 2010 | 11:17 AM
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is the Moroso/Roush oil restrictor kit installed in the block ?

is it possible that the lifter galley restrictor got installed into the side that oils the mains instead of the side that does not?
 
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Old Jul 17, 2010 | 09:14 AM
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as short as can

hi back to ya hollenjoe, been awhile.
#7 rod, ate the journal alive, guy,s i mean like i have never SEEN. way past 1/8 deep. 1 point i saw was lack of HEAT evidence. no oxidation,blueing, nothing. odd. the babbit was a trooper. relatively intact. nick first word, dad, sorta looks like a soft journal heh, not sure yet son, not yet. lots of good points you raised fella,s. to be fair, i will start over, map the oil system, check for restrictor on wrong side, very good point, because it happed very fast. that would make lotta sense. tx for heads up on aftermarket HJ. will save me mucho time researching. let me do this. when i find it i will post back if you boys want, i like to share. it helps all of us. before i go, ya know, this series famous for these issue,s. i do not believe in ufo, s etcetc. this motor can be built with a bottom end that live.s. i say this cuz this is not our first rod gone south over the years. i refuse to give up. i will find it and say it even if it is my fault. thanks thanks. sincerely paul k md.
 
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Old Jul 17, 2010 | 09:43 AM
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TMI, you here sir,

if you are, hj, says no aftermarket, i believe him. i retract my not use an old crank if i can pay you to build a bulletproof crank so to speak with every trick you have learned over your career. our balance is shot to h---. will not hold you to any of those issue,s. will have to send rods back also. #7 big end really took a beating on this go round sir. no way can use without your approval. tx paul.
 
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Old Jul 17, 2010 | 09:47 AM
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What does the #5 main bearing look like ? Can you post pictures of it ?
 
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 09:50 AM
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mark sorry

allow me to explain, i asked fer help. u went first, i THINK i know what you want and/or looking for to truly advise me on your real proffessional thoughts. i need a wee bit of time please,

why, nick is the digital cam go to guy in my house and at the age of 19, now, he is chasing da women. i got to corral him when possible and tell him u, are asking for pics, GRIN, how bout i just tell u thruth, franky, i am in no hurry this time around. i would PREFER your op before i do anything, even yer recomendations on what to do diff, i am not proud. i am here asking as u know. lets let the thread roll down while i get me ducks in a row and i will come back and run it by u. trust me. i put a lot of stock into what you may say. okay, tx peace. paul
 
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Old Jul 20, 2010 | 01:17 PM
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mr MARK,

maybe pics soon sir, but meanwhile as said, i do need to look at options. hj says no aftermarket, i believe him. mark, i got no facts, would u share what u know about FACTORY journal treatment. from there, what u think about a good shop maybe HARD CHROME a good used crank. see where i am going. see what i am asking. we need a crank by whoever where we can be reasonably confident that the journals are up to the task of the standard tmi 400 build that so many of u have already done and are very proffencient AT. tx paul aka father. md
 
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Old Jul 20, 2010 | 04:09 PM
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Around theres talk about using a forged 351w 4" crank on a 400, 4340 ones go for around 500 $, and some machining to the crank is needed, im not really sure about this...
 
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Old Jul 25, 2010 | 03:29 PM
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stock 351w 3.000" main and 2.311" rod. 3.5 " stroke.
 
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