Removed my dpf
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Oh yeah,those warranties....the ones that will do any and everything they can to avoid paying for any kind of claim....you'll probably be just as successful as the next guy that didn't modify his federally mandated emissions equipment, or maybe not.
I guess the $2000-up questions is this...can you afford the repairs, or worst case, an engine replacement out of your pocket in one hit? That's what one must ask themselves.
JL
I guess the $2000-up questions is this...can you afford the repairs, or worst case, an engine replacement out of your pocket in one hit? That's what one must ask themselves.
JL
When my engine failed and it required an $8200 fuel system replacement,
Ford refused to pay, even through I was under warranty, because they
claimed my Fuel Filter wasn't replaced in a timely fashion. It was right at
the 20,000/mi mark and they told me to go blow smoke. Lucky for me,
my Vehicle Insurance actually paid for it because the source of the
problem was bad fuel.
Details: $8,292.64 Repair - Failed Fuel Filter - Ford Powerstroke Diesel Forum
In any case, I wouldn't put a lot of faith into warranties, because I felt
like I was stabbed in the back right went I needed it. I think its all just
hit or miss. And when you've racked up the miles beyond your warranty,
none of it matters any more. So the only difference between a DPF delete at
20k, 50k, or 100k is all just a matter of speeding up the timeline on when
you'd eventually have to pay out of pocket. If you can't afford the
repairs at 50,000/mile you likely can't afford them at 150,000/miles.
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From: Sunny, Snowy, CO
If mine ever gives me any heartache, it's gone. (The DPF) I spoke at length the other day with one of the regional reps and he says I'm doing the right thing by running a cetane booster in every tank. It cuts down on the soot, so the DPF can clean itself thoroughly when it goes into cleaning mode. It also only regens between 375 and 450 miles now which is outstanding at elevation. Down in Cali (I went there to see my parents earlier in the week) it only regened twice in 1040 miles , and one of them was down there and lasted 5 minutes. I don't know how long the mileage gains in a removal state would take to justify the cost of a tuner, but I know that 10k fine would never recoup over the life of the vehicle.
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When my engine failed and it required an $8200 fuel system replacement,
Ford refused to pay, even through I was under warranty, because they
claimed my Fuel Filter wasn't replaced in a timely fashion. It was right at
the 20,000/mi mark and they told me to go blow smoke. Lucky for me,
my Vehicle Insurance actually paid for it because the source of the
problem was bad fuel.
Details: $8,292.64 Repair - Failed Fuel Filter - Ford Powerstroke Diesel Forum
In any case, I wouldn't put a lot of faith into warranties, because I felt
like I was stabbed in the back right went I needed it. I think its all just
hit or miss. And when you've racked up the miles beyond your warranty,
none of it matters any more. So the only difference between a DPF delete at
20k, 50k, or 100k is all just a matter of speeding up the timeline on when
you'd eventually have to pay out of pocket. If you can't afford the
repairs at 50,000/mile you likely can't afford them at 150,000/miles.
Ford refused to pay, even through I was under warranty, because they
claimed my Fuel Filter wasn't replaced in a timely fashion. It was right at
the 20,000/mi mark and they told me to go blow smoke. Lucky for me,
my Vehicle Insurance actually paid for it because the source of the
problem was bad fuel.
Details: $8,292.64 Repair - Failed Fuel Filter - Ford Powerstroke Diesel Forum
In any case, I wouldn't put a lot of faith into warranties, because I felt
like I was stabbed in the back right went I needed it. I think its all just
hit or miss. And when you've racked up the miles beyond your warranty,
none of it matters any more. So the only difference between a DPF delete at
20k, 50k, or 100k is all just a matter of speeding up the timeline on when
you'd eventually have to pay out of pocket. If you can't afford the
repairs at 50,000/mile you likely can't afford them at 150,000/miles.
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I would say that 15,000 is most likely fine as long as you aren't towing
anything or putting any B5 Biodiesel in your truck. Otherwise, 10,000/miles
or less is what Ford recommends.
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Good question. I wonder if Biodiesel produces fewer regens.
Although at only 5% BioDiesel and 95% ULSD, I doubt the difference
is very noticeable. Now if you are running 100% Biodiesel, that might be
the case. Although given how sensitive the 6.4L is to its fuel, 100%
Biodiesel could spell the end of your engine.
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dpf delete
I have removed the dpf, gone to a 4" exhaust and put in an AFE stage2si intake. I am averaging 21 miles to the gallon on the highway. The truck is totally different to drive and the power is awesome. I am almost getting 40% better mileage than stock. I don't understand why everyone isn't doing this other than the warranty scare.
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From: Pflugerville, tx
I have removed the dpf, gone to a 4" exhaust and put in an AFE stage2si intake. I am averaging 21 miles to the gallon on the highway. The truck is totally different to drive and the power is awesome. I am almost getting 40% better mileage than stock. I don't understand why everyone isn't doing this other than the warranty scare.
Sam
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I'm leary of the high MPG posts. There signiture doesn't show what truck setup they have and if it's hand calculated or not. Lie or Meter can be and is off alot. At least mine has been lot's of times and theres nothing wrong with it. Lot's of guys have said the opposite too. They have Spartan/etc. and are very disapointed in the mpg results being they didn't get a big increase. I think were you live plays a part in it as well.
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From: Pflugerville, tx
I have removed the dpf, gone to a 4" exhaust and put in an AFE stage2si intake. I am averaging 21 miles to the gallon on the highway. The truck is totally different to drive and the power is awesome. I am almost getting 40% better mileage than stock. I don't understand why everyone isn't doing this other than the warranty scare.
Sam
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Sam this is from Irlys post made in June. "As it stands right now, since I removed the dpf my meter (which I know can be inaccurate)is showing I am getting 16 miles per gallon. I haven't done any hand calculations yet or towed, but tomorrow will be a week without it and I know this is way better than I was getting.Keep in mind this mileage is showing just driving around town and back and forth to work. "
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Sam this is from Irlys post made in June. "As it stands right now, since I removed the dpf my meter (which I know can be inaccurate)is showing I am getting 16 miles per gallon. I haven't done any hand calculations yet or towed, but tomorrow will be a week without it and I know this is way better than I was getting.Keep in mind this mileage is showing just driving around town and back and forth to work. "
I wouldn't trust the onboard computer to determine MPG. I've seen it
go from 50 mpg to 2 mpg, all depending on if you are climbing a hill or
coasting down one. I would take 1 month of data from the exact number
of miles driving and the exact amount of fuel you've purchased.
Miles / Gallons = MPG
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From: Pflugerville, tx
thx. I am really interested in the 100,000 mile long term usage reports.
I know no-one has them yet.
I bought my truck to tow, and it 50% better than my suburban (9 vs 6 mpg) towing. 1 or 2 more towing would be awesome, and 3-4 not towing would be pretty nice. 16 around town (vs my 12) and 20-21 empty on the highway (vs my 14.5).. 40% improvement if I use his numbers.. I am a DRW with 4.10 rear.. so can't do as well as a SRW 3.55.
Sam
I know no-one has them yet.
I bought my truck to tow, and it 50% better than my suburban (9 vs 6 mpg) towing. 1 or 2 more towing would be awesome, and 3-4 not towing would be pretty nice. 16 around town (vs my 12) and 20-21 empty on the highway (vs my 14.5).. 40% improvement if I use his numbers.. I am a DRW with 4.10 rear.. so can't do as well as a SRW 3.55.
Sam
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I'm only at 50,000 after 3yrs of ownership (Purchased 2008 F250 in July '07).
In that time, the problems I've had are:
a) Driver Side and Rear Driver Side door handles broke.
b) Bad Fuel + 20,000mi on a Fuel Filter = $8200 complete fuel system repair.
c) Batteries Died after 3/yrs - Recently replaced
That's about it. After 50,000, I've not really had any chronic issues with
my 6.4L outside of that fuel system issue. Since I'm now replacing the
fuel filters every 5,000 miles (better safe than sorry), life has been
pretty good. I should also state that I've steered away from using
anymore B5 biodiesel. Pre-Fuel system failure, I was pumping in B5
from a nearby station all the time. Now, I'm sticking strictly with
ULSD and nothing else.
I would say the lesson I've learned after 50,000/miles and 3/yrs is that
you won't have any problems if you take care of your truck's fuel system.
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From: Georgia
I'm only at 50,000 after 3yrs of ownership (Purchased 2008 F250 in July '07).
In that time, the problems I've had are:
a) Driver Side and Rear Driver Side door handles broke.
b) Bad Fuel + 20,000mi on a Fuel Filter = $8200 complete fuel system repair.
c) Batteries Died after 3/yrs - Recently replaced
That's about it. After 50,000, I've not really had any chronic issues with
my 6.4L outside of that fuel system issue. Since I'm now replacing the
fuel filters every 5,000 miles (better safe than sorry), life has been
pretty good. I should also state that I've steered away from using
anymore B5 biodiesel. Pre-Fuel system failure, I was pumping in B5
from a nearby station all the time. Now, I'm sticking strictly with
ULSD and nothing else.
I would say the lesson I've learned after 50,000/miles and 3/yrs is that
you won't have any problems if you take care of your truck's fuel system.
In that time, the problems I've had are:
a) Driver Side and Rear Driver Side door handles broke.
b) Bad Fuel + 20,000mi on a Fuel Filter = $8200 complete fuel system repair.
c) Batteries Died after 3/yrs - Recently replaced
That's about it. After 50,000, I've not really had any chronic issues with
my 6.4L outside of that fuel system issue. Since I'm now replacing the
fuel filters every 5,000 miles (better safe than sorry), life has been
pretty good. I should also state that I've steered away from using
anymore B5 biodiesel. Pre-Fuel system failure, I was pumping in B5
from a nearby station all the time. Now, I'm sticking strictly with
ULSD and nothing else.
I would say the lesson I've learned after 50,000/miles and 3/yrs is that
you won't have any problems if you take care of your truck's fuel system.