Hi everyone i need some help see if i can use this tranny on my 360 C5AP-7006 A-18 my father in law wanted an automatic and the guy said that it should work but i don't know please help me here please.. this is the other numbers on it RF-C8AP-7A105-A

 

Here is a link to a werb site that will help you decode the Ford Part Numbers:

Decoding Ford Part Numbers

Ford Car Automatic Transmission Application Chart '65-'72- FORDification.com

And

Automatic Transmission Identification Guide - FORDification.com

With a 360 the transmission would need to be a C6 or an MX

The first number you gave us is for a 1965 Ford Automatic Transmission. I always thought 7006 was the ID for a C6 but they were not introduced until 1966. So I'm not sure with the numbers here.

Down by the shift on the left side should be an aluminum tab with some letters and numbers on it. Find it and let us know what they are then we can figure out what the transmission is.

 

1968/76 360 (and 390): The only available A/T was the C6 which has 17 trans pan bolt holes.

MX Cruise-O-Matic (aka the BIG Cruise-O) has 14 trans pan bolt holes. Was used in 1965/67 F100/350's w/352's, 1958/60 Passenger Cars with 352 4V's, 1961/67 Passenger Cars with 390's.

No MX's after 1967. 360 used in F100/350's only, introduced in 1968.

FX Cruise-O-Matic (aka the SMALL Cruise-O-also has 14 trans pan bolt holes) was used in 1958/60 Passenger Cars with 332's and 352 2V's, 1961/67 Passenger Cars with 352's, and some 1961/64 F100/250's with 292's.

The trans ID tag would have been bolted to the servo, on the left (drivers) side of the case. The ID number is 4 or five digits long and begins with a P. Do not be surprised if the tag is missing...this is common.

7006 is an ID engineering number for any transmission case...A/T or M/T. The actual Ford basic part number is 7005.

I could not cross the C5AP-7005-A ID number over to a Ford part number, but it's moot, since I listed the trans pan bolt holes.

Could not find anything related to C8AP-7A105-A. Dunno what it is, as there's no ID or basic part number of 7A105.

btw: The 352/360 FE engines look identical, share the same stroke (3.50"), so do not put much stock in it being a 360.

If the trans pan has 14 bolt holes, it's prolly a 352...or possibly a 390 as it looks the same as a 352/360.

Julie...that part number chart is WORTHLESS for ID'ing much of anything...it has sooo many errors and omissions, it's ridiculous.

Someone posted the entire thing a coupla days ago. I spent over an hour correcting it. Originally a coupla members of the Fabulous 50's Ford Club made it up.

It was then put in the RED BOOK, sold in book stores for fellow Ford nuts to ID part numbers, decode VIN's. Neither one of the guys (I know both of them) had one second of Ford parts experience.

Besides, as I've said a gazillion times, you cannot go by Ford part number prefixes to ID what the parts fit, or what they are from, because..

Ford is in-famous for replacing (updating) 10's of 1000's of part numbers every year!!

 

Yep, I was trying to pull way too much out of the numbers he gave and try to hook up years with transmissions, etc. Just not enough info and not the right info.

Lets see if the transmission has a tag on it.

I'll delete the P/N chart then too.

 

Thanks Julie and bill i wish he would let me put a 351 or 460 on the truck but oh well, i will take some pics and show him you guys replies and i am going to check the numbers and make sure that they were correct, the guy he got it from said that it would fit but all i have found is for small block like what's on my King Cobra 78 so i need to really double check the numbers

 

That 360 is not a small block, it's an FE. I know there will be some debate because it's not a 428/460, but it's a big block engine. Your 351W (not the 351C/M) is considered a small block. That makes a diff when bolting up a tranny to it - even the C6 had three different bolt up patterns to accomodate the different engine types it went behind.

Try and find the aluminum tag I spoke of - right by the shift on the left center. it will be about an inch long and 3/4 inch wide.

If you can, take a picture showing the pan on the bottom of the transmission.

 

this is another number i forgot to put down
C5TP
7A040C
5AM - 7B
i think this is for the transmission/transaxle assembly

 

Those are all part numbers that are cast/stamped into the parts when made and as Bill mentioned, they aren't of much use (unless Wisenheimer Bills foolin' with us and is just about to answer the whole question below - lol)......Need to find that tag or take a picture:

The tag will look like this:



We need the "Transmission Identification Number" on that tag.

 

The A/T is an MX Cruise-O-Matic (14 trans pan bolt holes).

ID engineering number: C5TP-7A040-C = Ford part number: C5TZ7A039B .. Extension Housing.

Fits: 1965/67 F100/350 w/a 352 & MX Cruise-O-Matic.

5AM = Assembled the first week (A) of December (M) 1965 (5).

7B: 7 = Assembly Plant code / B = Design Change.

ID engineering number & part number source: 1964/72 Ford Truck Parts Catalog / Text-Section A70.2, Page 2.

Unless the engine has been swapped, the so-called 360 is most likely a 352 since no 360 engine came w/a MX Cruise-O-Matic.

An extension housing bolts to the rear of the transmission case, houses the output shaft.

A transaxle will only be found with FWD = Front Wheel Drive.

 

Super Bill, but one step farther please....I'm assuming that if it is a 360 they are both FEs and should have the same bolt up, right? No?

I'm asking because his info says this is a 57 F-100. FEs weren't even introduced until 58 so if it is a 57, then we have to assume an engine swap and it could be a 360 (from almost any year between 68 and 76)? Yes/no?

 

Most likely no, since it has MX Cruise-O-Matic. Considering that the trans was assembled in December 1965, the engine/trans combination most likely came from a 1966 F100/350 w/a 352.

352/360 are both FE engines. Last year for the 352 = 1967; first year for the 360 = 1968. 360's only used in F100/350's.

First year for FE engines in F100/350's: 1965, 352 used 1965/67. 360 & 390 FE engines used 1968/76 = the only available A/T was the C6 (17 trans pan bolt holes).

A 1957 F100 could have a 223 I-6, or a 272 or 292 Y block.

 

Yeah but......

See what I'm saying is that the engine was a reingine and the tranny was not bought with the engine but later. And they were told it would fit the engine. So looking at them as having come from the same installation base is a no go since they were bought separately, and we don't know that either was from a truck or a car (I guess if it is a 360 it would have to be from a truck) and we don't know what year either.

So unles I missed it, I think he needs to know if that non stock MX will bolt up to his non stock 352 OR the 360.

And I think the answer you passed is no, it needs a C6, if it's a 352/360, yes?

 

The MX only came with the 352 (in this case). The 360 came with a C6.

The C6 is the better transmission, but either one will work. Personally, I'd go with the C6...parts are easily obtainable, anyone can work on it.

MX parts are slim and none. Some trans shops have no clue how to repair it since it hasn't been installed in a Passenger Car or F100/350 since grandma was a gal (1967).

My usual rant: I HATE swaps, you wanna know why? People make changes, do not record what the parts came from. Then when something breaks, they...or a subsequent owner has no clue, so...

They waltz into a Ford Dealer, plunk the greasy parts down on the parts counter...then say "What are these parts from?"

I went thru this scenario countless times at the parts counter...now I'm seeing the same dang thing here on FTE.

Who really knows if the engine is a 360, 352, 390, or something else? One way to find out...look for the stamped ID number on the harmonic balancer.

1958/67 is one type, 1968/72 is another, 1973/76 is different again...and they do not interchange!

 

thank you this is cool i am showing all of this to him when i go over and get the number and snap some pics you guys are AWESOME thanks a lot

 

well it's actually a 56 f100 but yeah he swap the original 272 that was in there after he got it in early 70's i think that's when he got it