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Old Jun 11, 2010 | 08:49 AM
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5.4 surges under load

My brother's truck (07 F-250 Super duty 2wd auto 80,000 on the clock) surges under heavy throttle. From about 50% on up it pings, bucks and surges a little. It feels stroner when you let off of the pedal a little, like there's more acceleration. Does anyone have any ideas on what could be causing this?

A little background info. He has had the surging under load issure for a while now. It didn't happen when the truck was new either. His battery died the other day so he went out to get a new one. Well when he installed it, he was having a problem with it idling so low that it was dying and throwing a code. Got it scanned at the local auto-zone (twice because the first time the lady said that the wiring was bad and it wouldn't read the codes) and it came back with the code P0506 idle control system RPM low. Well upon doing some research I found out a lot about the fly by wire system so this is all new to me.

The first thing that I did was replace to try to fix the idle problem was all 4 of the o2 sensors. He had a code issue with one before and we never changed it. I also remember changing the TPS a while back with no change in surging then. Changing the o2 sensors didn't seem to do a thing to help out the idle problem so back to the computer for more research. I know that he has a K&N air filter and I know that they have been known to get oil on the MAF and make it not run right. I took that out and cleaned it with MAF cleaner but when I re-installed it, the problem got worse. Now it wouldn't stay running at all. I was thinking maybe TPS or the throttle control motor. Back to doing more research yet again. I came across a thread about cleaning the gunk buildup out of the bottom of the throttle body so I took that off. There wasn't much there at all but I cleaned it all away anyways. Put it back together and the truck fired up and ran like a dream. It's idling and accelerating better (from low speed) than it has for the past year. This didn't fix the surging problem, it's still there under load so i'm trying to tackle that now.

A few questions on my mind. What would cause all that junk to accumulate under the throttle body? What other issues would cause the truck to surge? Sometimes, when your on the throttle pretty good, it will catch and speed up like it's supposed to but mostly it doesn't. I've seen suggestions about fuel pressure, does anyone know what the pressure reading is supposed to be? I'm going to change the spark plugs, fuel filter and put another Motorcraft paper filter in it and see if that helps any but I won't be able to for a couple of days. I know that the fuel filter isn't that old but it's worth a shot. Does anyone else have any other ideas on what it might be? Thanks in advance!
 
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Old Jun 14, 2010 | 12:38 PM
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Bump bump! Anyone?
 
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Old Jun 29, 2010 | 08:58 PM
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its the spark plugs and coil packs.my truck did the same thing at 58,000 miles,its a 06 f250 5.4 fx4.
 
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Old Jun 30, 2010 | 06:27 AM
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I'll give that a whirl. He did get new spark plugs but they look like a pain in the rear to change. He got another fuel filter also, so i'm going to throw that in too. He also got the check engine light again the other day and it was another 02 sensor. The guy at the auto part store told him to bring the one that is bad back and he'll exchange it.

How do I go about checking the coil packs? Is there a way to tell which one is mis-firing? Thanks!
 
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Old Jul 1, 2010 | 06:03 PM
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yea the rear plugs are a pain i wound up letting my repair shop change them,as for checking the coil packs the ony way is t swap them out one by one till you find the bad one. they are expensive but best to go ahead and change them all cause when one goes out its only a matter of time before the others go out.
 
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Old Jul 2, 2010 | 06:12 AM
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Alright, i'll see what I can do on it. Hopefully I can get to it before the end of the weekend. Thanks for the info!
 
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