Programming an Edge
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Programming an Edge
Hey guys, ive had an Edge in my 2004 4.6 for almost a year now on can level 2 and it deffinately better than stock. I went to the mountains last weekend for the first time with my truck and I turned OD off for going up and down the hills, man does my truck feel better with OD off, it downshifts earlier and is more responsive.
Is there a way to program my Edge (i know you cant program OD out of it) but program it in such a way that it mimics the behavior of having OD off? Or are there settings that would make the truck downshift sooner in any gear? Right now when going up a hill in OD it gradually drops to almost 1000 RPMs before dropping a gear and kicking in to get up the hill.
Thanks guys!
Is there a way to program my Edge (i know you cant program OD out of it) but program it in such a way that it mimics the behavior of having OD off? Or are there settings that would make the truck downshift sooner in any gear? Right now when going up a hill in OD it gradually drops to almost 1000 RPMs before dropping a gear and kicking in to get up the hill.
Thanks guys!
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Yes the shift points can be adjusted, but I'd STRONGLY RECOMMEND you get it converted to a Gryphon and let Bill Cohron (one of the most experienced and best F150 tuners in the country) write custom tunes. Bill actually helps Edge develop their canned tunes.
More information at: Power Hungry Performance - Feed your hunger for POWER!
Specific Edge conversion/upgrade information at: How Do I Upgrade My Evo? - Power Hungry Performance Forum
Please note you may have to join their forums to see the FAQ, so I've copied it here:
More information at: Power Hungry Performance - Feed your hunger for POWER!
Specific Edge conversion/upgrade information at: How Do I Upgrade My Evo? - Power Hungry Performance Forum
Please note you may have to join their forums to see the FAQ, so I've copied it here:
Let me start off by saying that the Edge Evolution is a great programmer! What many people fail to realize, however, is that the Evo was designed with canned tunes for stock vehicles.
That being said, we receive phone calls just about every day from customers who own Edge Evolutions and are having driveability issues due to modifications they have made to their trucks. The Evolution can't be custom tuned due to Edge's CARB certification, but PHP is able to upgrade Evos to Gryphons so that they CAN be custom tuned to work with modified vehicles.
Fill out the Upgrade Form which can be found on our website's Order Forms page. It is an Adobe file and can be filled out online and saved for your records. When completed, print the form and sign it.
Program your truck back to stock.
Send the form and your programmer AND OBDII cable to us (97-03 F-150 or 7.3L PSD). If your programmer is for a truck from 2004 or later or a 6.0L PSD, we DO NOT need the cable. Our address is on the order form.
When it arrives, we will change the case from the gray/black one to an all black one (Edge had them made for us by the same company that makes theirs). We will also update the firmware at this time. Please be aware that some of the features exclusive to the Gryphon cannot be used on older Evos. Also, if you have a programmer with version number E3.XX.XX or E4.XX.XX, we cannot adjust the menu.
The Upgrade, itself, is $25.00; shipping is usually around $10-$15, depending on where you live.
You will need to download Pegasus, our Client Server, which can be found on our website. (It is similar to Edge's Lightning and Fusion.)
All Gryphons can hold up to three files with the exception of the 6.0L, which can hold four.
Calibration prices are as follows:
Custom gasoline calibrations are $60 each.
Standard diesel calibrations for trucks with mild modifications (Oversized Intercoolers, Exhaust Brakes, Downpipes, Full Return Fuel System Mods, Turbo Housing Mods (for stock turbos), and Cold Air Intake Kits) are $30 each.
Customized standard diesel calibrations for trucks with heavy modifications (Injectors, Big Oil (dual HPOP), Large Single or Twin Turbos, Power Adders such as Nitrous, Propane, & Water/Meth Injection, and Modified Transmissions) are $60 each.
As long as we can access your HEX code, we'll write your new calibrations and load them onto your Upgraded Programmer before shipping it back to you. This usually takes 2-4 weeks, depending on our workload.
That being said, we receive phone calls just about every day from customers who own Edge Evolutions and are having driveability issues due to modifications they have made to their trucks. The Evolution can't be custom tuned due to Edge's CARB certification, but PHP is able to upgrade Evos to Gryphons so that they CAN be custom tuned to work with modified vehicles.
Fill out the Upgrade Form which can be found on our website's Order Forms page. It is an Adobe file and can be filled out online and saved for your records. When completed, print the form and sign it.
Program your truck back to stock.
Send the form and your programmer AND OBDII cable to us (97-03 F-150 or 7.3L PSD). If your programmer is for a truck from 2004 or later or a 6.0L PSD, we DO NOT need the cable. Our address is on the order form.
When it arrives, we will change the case from the gray/black one to an all black one (Edge had them made for us by the same company that makes theirs). We will also update the firmware at this time. Please be aware that some of the features exclusive to the Gryphon cannot be used on older Evos. Also, if you have a programmer with version number E3.XX.XX or E4.XX.XX, we cannot adjust the menu.
The Upgrade, itself, is $25.00; shipping is usually around $10-$15, depending on where you live.
You will need to download Pegasus, our Client Server, which can be found on our website. (It is similar to Edge's Lightning and Fusion.)
All Gryphons can hold up to three files with the exception of the 6.0L, which can hold four.
Calibration prices are as follows:
Custom gasoline calibrations are $60 each.
Standard diesel calibrations for trucks with mild modifications (Oversized Intercoolers, Exhaust Brakes, Downpipes, Full Return Fuel System Mods, Turbo Housing Mods (for stock turbos), and Cold Air Intake Kits) are $30 each.
Customized standard diesel calibrations for trucks with heavy modifications (Injectors, Big Oil (dual HPOP), Large Single or Twin Turbos, Power Adders such as Nitrous, Propane, & Water/Meth Injection, and Modified Transmissions) are $60 each.
As long as we can access your HEX code, we'll write your new calibrations and load them onto your Upgraded Programmer before shipping it back to you. This usually takes 2-4 weeks, depending on our workload.
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Id like to do that but i just dont feel its a justification. Sending it out for 4 weeks, paying $60 each for tunes. i dont have any modifications on my truck. I dont use it for high performance. The Edge has definately improved my truck, i just need to do a little minor tuning.
I know the settings for shifiting and TC lock and unlock are just adjusted up and down from 0, but if i want the down shifts to be higher (or TQ unlock to be higher) which way do i adjust it and what does each incriment represent. The manual isnt too helpful
Thanks!
I know the settings for shifiting and TC lock and unlock are just adjusted up and down from 0, but if i want the down shifts to be higher (or TQ unlock to be higher) which way do i adjust it and what does each incriment represent. The manual isnt too helpful
Thanks!
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I have seen (via the Internet) too many owners screw up their transmissions to feel comfortable providing you with advice on changing shift points, TQ lock and unlock, and shift pressure 'values'. Each truck and transmission is different (maintenance, driving style, etc.).
Since you know what you want to accomplish and the manual is unclear, I would suggest you contact Edge.
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One other piece of advice, after talking with Edge change one thing (i.e., TQ lock-up), making a small change, and try it out. If that works and you're still not satisfied, change the next thing. Again make a small change and try it out.
I'm really not trying to be an a$$ - but I'd hate to see you lose your tranny and me lose a potential friend.
Since you know what you want to accomplish and the manual is unclear, I would suggest you contact Edge.
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One other piece of advice, after talking with Edge change one thing (i.e., TQ lock-up), making a small change, and try it out. If that works and you're still not satisfied, change the next thing. Again make a small change and try it out.
I'm really not trying to be an a$$ - but I'd hate to see you lose your tranny and me lose a potential friend.
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No, i hear what your saying. Im not about to jump in and make drastic changes, im just thinking that there has to be a setting i could change to make it shift more like it has OD off. Just my opinion.
Plus i know the dangers of increasing line pressure, and i dont plan on messing with that. And i cant see changing the shift points slightly would blow up my tranny. But i could be wrong.
Plus i know the dangers of increasing line pressure, and i dont plan on messing with that. And i cant see changing the shift points slightly would blow up my tranny. But i could be wrong.
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Okay, off the top of my head - change the 4-5 upshift point to 5100 RPMs and the lock-up to 5500 RPMs.
Unless you're at WOT, you should never see 5100 RPMs which will keep you in 4th (or 3rd if it's a 4-speed - cant recall if the 04 tranny is 4 or 5 speed and too lazy to look it up).
IIRC, with the Evo this is going to change the shift point FOR ALL YOUR TUNES - but I'm not 100% positive.
Unless you're at WOT, you should never see 5100 RPMs which will keep you in 4th (or 3rd if it's a 4-speed - cant recall if the 04 tranny is 4 or 5 speed and too lazy to look it up).
IIRC, with the Evo this is going to change the shift point FOR ALL YOUR TUNES - but I'm not 100% positive.
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See thats the problem, i cant change the settings by RPM, if i could id be set. Each setting starts at 0 and you can go up 1 at a time, or down 1 at a time. Now i did read through the manual again and each incriment represents a MPH. So if i want the truck to downshift sooner would i increase the downshift point so it downshifts at a higher RPM?
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I see what you mean by confusing.
First off, use the Fusion software and make sure you have the latest firmware. It's possible the new firmware has RPM settings vs. MPH.
I would agree with your guess but I'd still call Edge and confirm.
Hell, why not try it and find out?
First off, use the Fusion software and make sure you have the latest firmware. It's possible the new firmware has RPM settings vs. MPH.
I would agree with your guess but I'd still call Edge and confirm.
Hell, why not try it and find out?
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Ya, im gonna try some things.
i always say im gonna try stuff but then i just jump in my truck and go and forget to do anything! lol
i updated the Edge in the fall, ill pull it again and check it.
i always say im gonna try stuff but then i just jump in my truck and go and forget to do anything! lol
i updated the Edge in the fall, ill pull it again and check it.
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Ok, i need to say that when i notice the downshift problem is when im in top gear and cruising is when it takes a while for the truck to downshift to get up the hill. Also what i noticed on the two hills i drove this morning is that it downshift from 4-3 right around 40mph. Now i think i can jump the edge up in mph's for the 4-3 downshift as much as 10 mph. Now i guess i need to change it a little and drive it and see if it does in deed downshift at my set higher mph. Also if i make the down shift a higher rpm should i make the 4 gear TC unlock slightly higher than the downshift? Im just wondering if there is an order in which the TC should unlock then downshift.
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I don't know why I didn't think of this sooner, but try posting your question at PHP's forums.
Bill or one of the moderators probably has experience with the older Edge units and can recommend MPH shift, lock, and unlock points.
If they can help, they will.
Bill or one of the moderators probably has experience with the older Edge units and can recommend MPH shift, lock, and unlock points.
If they can help, they will.
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Ok, so i played around on my way to work this morning. I set the Edge to display the current gear im in because it also shows a lock when the TC is locked and unlocked. And i hit a couple hills that i know slow me down and give me the scenerio that im trying to work out. So i watched the edge while going up the hill, as i started up the hill around 50-52 mph at around 1500-1600 rpm, i was in 4th gear and TC locked. As i made my way up the hill my speed and rpms dropped as i kept a stead hold on the gas pedal. As i dropped to around 1050-1100 rpm and 40 mph, the TC lock symbol went away on the display and the truck kicked in and got me up the hill.
So to answer my own question, what i was feeling as a kick down to get me up hills is actually the TC unlocking not downshifting. So now i dont think i need to mess with my shift points but increase the 4th gear TC unlock. I think it would be better at about 48-50 mph instead of 40 mph.
Any harm by increasing just the 4th gear TC unlock by 8-10 mph? because mph is what my Edge adjusts by.
So to answer my own question, what i was feeling as a kick down to get me up hills is actually the TC unlocking not downshifting. So now i dont think i need to mess with my shift points but increase the 4th gear TC unlock. I think it would be better at about 48-50 mph instead of 40 mph.
Any harm by increasing just the 4th gear TC unlock by 8-10 mph? because mph is what my Edge adjusts by.