Hey guys does anyone know if you can put dayton hubs on to replace budd hubs to get away from the widow makers??

 

You can get tubeless rims for an f600. They aren't widowmakers, and work just fine.

 

Which bolt pattern do you have? I have 4 matching 6x22.5 rims (max tire size 9-22.5) with the 6 on 8.75" bolt pattern for sale.

 

awhtx - e-mail me at yamaha_kodiak_450@yahoo.com with this info

1960fordf350 - can also email me I thought you had two 22.5 wheels

 

Why do you want Dayton wheels when you have good Budd wheels? What year truck do you have? The wheel that is commonly reffered to as the widow maker is the split rim. The tube type wheel with the snap ring on one side is a different wheel and is safe. Just make sure when you are airing it up that the snap ring is securely in place and turn it over with the snap ring on the botton. Back to your question, if you just want Dayton wheels you will probably have to change the front axle unless your truck has the heavier front axle that a 750 has.

 

I have a 1963 f600 with 6 split rims (widow makers) I have looked at a few truck (in Pics) that have the dayton style wheels , I can not find anyone local that will mess with a spit rim, closest place if they even still do is 1 hour away, I have done the work before and not a fun job, but if I could find a way to go tubeless or have someone else do it (guess I'm getting lazy in my old age) I have looked into getting 19.5 and 22.5 wheels but the cost is way to much , if I could only come across some close ??????

 

If I am not badly mistaken they quit making split rims in the 50's. Your 63 should have the snap ring type.



This is the snap ring type and has not been outlawed. If you have this and they refuse to repair or mount a tire they need to be educated as to what is a split rim and what is not.



This is a split rim, look close at the wheel near the center of the rim. See where the rim splits. The rim is a two piece set up. This is the one that has been outlawed. You cant see when it is locked whereas you can see when the snap ring type is locked in place.

 

I had a couple '64s bought new with split wheels

 

I defiantly know the difference between the snap ring a three piece and a split rim I have changed them all myself and have the split rims, and would like to switch over to something that has not been outlawed,

 

I am assuming that your truck is a 1948 model from your screen name. That means it is probably a five lug wheel. A five lug tubeless is hard to find. My 55 F 600 had five lug wheels and I got some six lug hubs off a 56 that fit the 55 axle. From there it was easy to find six lug tubeless Budd wheels. Just one more option for you.

I am sorry if you took offense to my explanation of the difference between split and snap ring wheels. This question has come up in the forums a number of times before and it never ceases to amaze me as to how many people do not know the difference.

The 55 with the six luggers on it.

 

my screen name, is for my 1948 f1's, I have several of them .the truck I 'm trying to find wheels for is a 1963 f-600 , I 'm sorry if I came across as being rude but I do know the difference, between the different styles of wheels I am trying to find a cheap way to gett away from the widow makers is my goal, I was just wondering about the dayton hubs I have seen several with 900 20's laying around and was just thinking ??????

 

No. Widowmaker Firestone RH-5° rims were made from approximately 1947 until 1976/77 as either complete wheels or as replacement parts. They never have been outlawed federally, but there may be isolated states that have taken this action on their own. Instead, under pressure from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) and National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), the manufacturers agreed to stop selling them in 1972. Interestingly, Kelsey Hayes was, as mentioned, still selling them in 1977.

Rather than outlaw them or force a recall, OSHA accepted the manufaturers' lobbiests' position that the many RH-5° failures were due to faulty training practices. In addition to increased training, tire shops were required to display safety posters. This weak federal action saved the manufacturers millions of dollars but did little to improve safety. As a result, the courts have awarded many wrongful death and injury awards, and the insurance companies have adjusted rates accordingly. That is why most reputable shops won't touch the things anymore. Here are good pictures of a widow maker showing the joint at the middle of the rim.




Otherwise, I agree completely that lock ring style wheels are generally available and safe to use if undamaged and handled correctly. In fact, lock ring designs are still sold new today for demountable applications. Availability depends upon your bolt pattern. If I read right that you have an F-600, you've probably got 6 lug x 8.75" bolt circle. Some like this that I've seen are hub piloted but most are stud piloted. If you are unfortunate and have hub piloted in this bolt pattern, no new wheels are being made. Stud piloted are still sold new by Accuride. Stu

Edit - I was typing on top of you. The trucks I've seen that were hub piloted were of your truck's era. That's not encouraging. If you do have stud piloted there should be plenty of used tube type lock ring 20s or tubeless 22.5 in yards that have the 6 lug x 8.75" pattern. Stu

 

I have the hub pilot but am going to try stud pilot on the truck

 

I've had two discussions with guys in your spot over on the 48-60 page. Both have taken the same approach. They've swapped the lugs to eliminate the ledge that extends out into the inner rear dual on the stock lugs. I don't recall the one thread, but I'll see if I can do a search and find you the other one. I think its title is "the real widowmaker". I'll come back and edit if I can find it. Stu

Here you go.

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/8...er-wheels.html

Also, here are cross section diagrams of both the stud piloted and hub piloted systems. The first is the stud piloted, then the hub piloted. If you compare you'll see that the inner dual of a stud piloted mount will hang up on the hub piloted inner lug/stud ledge. To allow the stud piloted inner cap nut to seat you've got to get rid of that obstruction. Stu

 

That would be these, the original "split rims":

The term split rim seems to get applied by somebody or other to just about every type of multi-piece wheel there is. I think for many people it means anything other then a disc type drop-center tubeless rim.

My '63 N600 has the same problem as mo1948f1 - hub piloted widowmakers.