>>:->Football on the other hand requires agility, aggresivness,
>thought processes, skill, extreme stamina, power, balance,
>and team work skills. Football and skateboarding are not
>even in the same league.
>The only difference I see is that a skateboarder doesn't need team skills. All your other requirements a skateboarder has too.
And since when does a football player need extreme stamina? Please.
You have to realize that your typical football player wouldn't make a good skateboarder, and vice versa. I'm about 6'2" and 230 lbs. No way would I be a good boarder. I'm not built for it. Your average skateboarder is a little punk. No offense meant just that they are small and wiry.
To agree with everyone else, high school means squat! It's not worth getting upset over.
John

 

>>>:->Football on the other hand requires agility, aggresivness,
>>thought processes, skill, extreme stamina, power, balance,
>>and team work skills. Football and skateboarding are not
>>even in the same league.
>>The only difference I see is that a skateboarder doesn't need team skills. All your other requirements a skateboarder has too.

Are you kidding me? agility, skill, and balance I'll grant you but aggressiveness? Nothing like dualing a mean skateboard. Thought processes? Duh, let me see, jump or twist? Power? I believe your weight holds it down. What anti-gravity or something? I stand behind my argument. I don't know what kind of skateboarding you're watching, but I must be on the wrong channel.


> And since when does a football player need extreme stamina?
>Please.

Please, yourself. In alot of the high school football conferences, there aren't enough players to have an offense and a defense, so most players play both. When you go head to head for and average of 2 hours hitting every play, full sprinting, twisting, driving,pounding, all the while with the adrenaline pumped, you're going to say it doesn't take extreme stamina? You my friend have never played football then.


> You have to realize that your typical football player
>wouldn't make a good skateboarder, and vice versa. I'm about
>6'2" and 230 lbs. No way would I be a good boarder.

Agreed. neither would I (6 ft. 225 )

My argument was that skateboarding and football are not in the same league. It takes MUCH,MUCH more of an atheletically inclined person to play football at the high school level. Skateboarding simply takes building balance skills and the desire to pursue a useless pastime. (ie. going somewhere with those skateboarding skills? ESPN2? hmmm.)


> To agree with everyone else, high school means squat! It's
>not worth getting upset over.

Agreed. See my first post. After graduation, it all means squat. After college, it all means squat. And once in the real world (working for a living) it's performance that counts. That's where reaching inside for what you learned at home, on the football field and/or military training will set you apart.

Chuck

 

>>>>:->Football on the other hand requires agility, aggresivness,
>>>thought processes, skill, extreme stamina, power, balance,
>>>and team work skills. Football and skateboarding are not
>>>even in the same league.
>>>The only difference I see is that a skateboarder doesn't need team skills. All your other requirements a skateboarder has too.
>
>Are you kidding me? agility, skill, and balance I'll grant
>you but aggressiveness? Nothing like dualing a mean
>skateboard. Thought processes? Duh, let me see, jump or
>twist? Power? I believe your weight holds it down. What
>anti-gravity or something? I stand behind my argument. I
>don't know what kind of skateboarding you're watching, but I
>must be on the wrong channel.
>It takes aggresiveness to do the tricks they do. I know I would n't jump a board onto a stair railing and ride it down. Perhaps we could agree it takes cojones instead of aggressiveness.
>
>> And since when does a football player need extreme stamina?
>>Please.
>
>Please, yourself. In alot of the high school football
>conferences, there aren't enough players to have an offense
>and a defense, so most players play both. When you go head
>to head for and average of 2 hours hitting every play, full
>sprinting, twisting, driving,pounding, all the while with
>the adrenaline pumped, you're going to say it doesn't take
>extreme stamina? You my friend have never played football
>then.
>You are right sir, I play a mans game, Rugby. A lot more running, no pads. A soccer player has more stamina.
>>
>My argument was that skateboarding and football are not in
>the same league. It takes MUCH,MUCH more of an atheletically
>inclined person to play football at the high school level.
>Skateboarding simply takes building balance skills and the
>desire to pursue a useless pastime. (ie. going somewhere
>with those skateboarding skills? ESPN2? hmmm.)
>You know, I don't think we have heard from a boarder on this. Both of us agree we can't do it so we don't really have the proper perspective.
I just don't want to pick on someone elses sport or claim one is worse than the other.
John

 

>> One more thing - I would argue that skateboarding is
>>harder than football.
>
>I beg to differ. I am a football coach. Skateboarding IS a
>difficult sport. Not just anyone has the physical prowess,
>but it is mainly a sport of balance.You do a few tricks,
>flips, thrashing, etc.
>
>Football on the other hand requires agility, aggresivness,
>thought processes, skill, extreme stamina, power, balance,
>and team work skills. Football and skateboarding are not
>even in the same league.
>
>
> In football, just being big and in
>>decent shape can get you a position as a defensive lineman -
>>just some gargantuan that gets in the other team's way.
>
>You're way off. A defensive lineman must think, react, and
>deliver.He must be aggresive and must play a sort of mind
>chess with the offensive lineman and the backfield. Just
>because it's a simple position, don't think it takes a
>simple mind. The best ones in the sport are quite
>intelligent.If you think that's all there is to it, we have
>a term for you my friend..."LUNCH"
>
> I
>>can throw a football, hold the ball and run, and crash into
>>people.
>
>Well, you've got the basics. Now all you need is practice.
>
> I couldn't skateboard to save my life.
>
>Neither can I. But why would you want to? They don't have
>pep rallies for skateboarders, neither do they have
>cheerleaders, nor homecoming Queens for that matter. I rest
>my case.
>
>Dayton, if the "punks" as you call them are just that,
>ignore them. Concentrate on your game and do your best. With
>the skills you learn in football, you can go far in life.
>If they are just normal kids, then just adopt a "whatever
>works for you man" attitude. Once you get to college, it
>wont matter.
>
>I've not heard of a college scholarship for skateboarding.
>Not yet anyway.
>
>Not stepping on your toes Matt.
>
>Just my .02
>
>Chuck

"If you think that's all there is to it, we have
>a term for you my friend..."LUNCH" "

Now I see why football players have such a negative image. They are being taught to act like children from their coaches.

I can understand high-school kids getting into name calling, but when a coach joins in and shows a maturity level no higher than the kids he or she is teaching, I see why we have so many problems in sports.

 

All I can say is all those highly athletic football players out there who need so much more agility then skateboarding and evrything should go out and try to play Lacrosse. I know plenty of football players who have told me there is no way in hell they would play Lax.

JON

 

>"If you think that's all there is to it, we have
>>a term for you my friend..."LUNCH" "
>
>Now I see why football players have such a negative image.
>They are being taught to act like children from their
>coaches.
>
>I can understand high-school kids getting into name calling,
>but when a coach joins in and shows a maturity level no
>higher than the kids he or she is teaching, I see why we
>have so many problems in sports.

Well, Rob I'm certainly sorry that you took at offense at a comment that wasn't directed at you. Matt, didn't seem to take offense.

As stated above most people would take my comment to be just what it was facetiousness.That's why it's in qoutation marks. From what Matt states, I was trying to make a point about what he didn't know about football. If he disagreed, that's fine, but I feel one has to see things from both angles. I used to skateboard, was never any good at it, but I knew what was involved with it.

The post began to be a "slam" on Dayton for being young and in high school and for seeing things that way. I tried to bring it back to his point.

I don't feel that I called Matt a name and apparently he doesn't either.

Matt, if you're reading this, I hope you didn't take it that way.

Rob, I'm sorry again. As for your personal attack on me, I choose to let that go as well.

Have a good day my friend,

Chuck

 

>>>>>:->Football on the other hand requires agility, aggresivness,
>>>>thought processes, skill, extreme stamina, power, balance,
>>>>and team work skills. Football and skateboarding are not
>>>>even in the same league.
>>>>The only difference I see is that a skateboarder doesn't need team skills. All your other requirements a skateboarder has too.
>>
>>Are you kidding me? agility, skill, and balance I'll grant
>>you but aggressiveness? Nothing like dualing a mean
>>skateboard. Thought processes? Duh, let me see, jump or
>>twist? Power? I believe your weight holds it down. What
>>anti-gravity or something? I stand behind my argument. I
>>don't know what kind of skateboarding you're watching, but I
>>must be on the wrong channel.
>>It takes aggresiveness to do the tricks they do. I know I would n't jump a board onto a stair railing and ride it down. Perhaps we could agree it takes cojones instead of aggressiveness

I concur absolutely. No way I'd do the jumps they do, nor the heights they do. I have to go to work. Can't work in a body cast. Cajones they have.
>>
>>> And since when does a football player need extreme stamina?
>>>Please.
>>
>>Please, yourself. In alot of the high school football
>>conferences, there aren't enough players to have an offense
>>and a defense, so most players play both. When you go head
>>to head for and average of 2 hours hitting every play, full
>>sprinting, twisting, driving,pounding, all the while with
>>the adrenaline pumped, you're going to say it doesn't take
>>extreme stamina? You my friend have never played football
>>then.
>>You are right sir, I play a mans game, Rugby. A lot more running, no pads. A soccer player has more stamina.

I concur again. Rugby is tougher than football. I don't agree with the soccer though, but only on one point. They do run more, but since there'e (usuually) no hitting, I think (my opinion here) football's tougher. But they're so close as to being too tough to call from the endurance standpoint.
>>>
>>My argument was that skateboarding and football are not in
>>the same league. It takes MUCH,MUCH more of an atheletically
>>inclined person to play football at the high school level.
>>Skateboarding simply takes building balance skills and the
>>desire to pursue a useless pastime. (ie. going somewhere
>>with those skateboarding skills? ESPN2? hmmm.)
>>You know, I don't think we have heard from a boarder on this. Both of us agree we can't do it so we don't really have the proper perspective.

You see, we agree more than each of us thought.! Good points! A debate without malice. And yes, it could use a boaders perspective.


>I just don't want to pick on someone elses sport or claim
>one is worse than the other.

To each their own, there's really no answer, just opinions.

Chuck

 

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 25-Oct-02 AT 02:57 PM (EST)]>I have to totally disagree, you have to have talenbt to play
>football, i mean really how hard is it to ride a board with
>wheels?? In football you have to have a lot of discipline,
>physical strength, and endurance......people seem to think
>that you can just go into a football program do nothing and
>plus, no offense but this is where some people are very
>milead because football practice is about as close to hel*
>as you can get........please tell me you people dont
>honestly think doing a kickflip indy or whatever they are
>called is harder than running full tilt into another person
>and hitting them as hard as you can you are out of your
>minds.........people think football is a fun sport games
>might be fun but practice is HEL*

And this is what our tax dollars send to college! I can't believe these kids still argue about such trivial B.S. Grow up already! Argue about a war, or at least how Fords rule! Send these guys to college on a sports scholarship and you have someone that has discipline, strength, blahblahblah, but not a clue about history, science, math or, gee, here I go again-SPELLING! All that matters is sports. What is Refrigerator Perry doing now-a-days?
If football practice is such "he!!", why bother? Why would anyone in their right mind VOLUNTEER for such he!!? Try 16 weeks in Army or Marine Infantry training. :-staun
Try to get a job after you blow out a knee in college and you can't add or subtract.

>going somewhere with those skateboard skills?
Duh, about as far as most go with those useless football skills. An ex football player and $1.29 will get you a large coffee at McDonalds. What do you learn playing football at public schools? Well, tax dollars support the programs, so everyone that wants to play, plays, right? Wrong. School sports programs teach you that only the best can play, even when everyone is paying for it. Schools should have pay to play. Stop wasting my money.

 

>Matt, if you're reading this, I hope you didn't take it that
>way.
>
>Rob, I'm sorry again. As for your personal attack on me, I
>choose to let that go as well.
>
>Have a good day my friend,
>
>Chuck
>

Chuck - I haven't taken offense to any of this so far. However, I think my original point is still being missed by a longshot. I'll reiterate - Football, skateboarding, chessplaying, checkers, poker, ice skating, relay races, computer programming - they are all skills that need to be learned. The original guy who started this thread is missing my point - we all need to get along. If the skateboard kids are being punks, ignore them. Be content in the knowledge that you enjoy football. If one of those kids comes up to him and starts cutting on his team, he should ask "why are you cutting on my team? I don't bother you, why are you bothering me?"

In my experience, most human beings are unable to respond to the above question.

My second point, is that you don't want to judge a whole group of people by what they do - that's not cool. Maybe the skateboard kids don't like him because some other guys on the football team were causing them trouble?

My point: Play nice. Be cool with people - remember, what goes around comes around.

For the record: no hard feelings towards anybody, at all. I still like you guys.


XXL

 

We're also missing the big picture. I'm seeing these guys saying "I politefully disagree, but football takes X, Y, Z, A, B, etc. But skateboarding doesn't require X, Y, Z and it's a useless hobby."

That's not cool - we can agree to disagree, but there's no point in attacking someone's hobby/sport/entertainment. You don't like people picking on you/your sport, so why do you fire back?

Just my $.02

XXL

 

>And this is what our tax dollars send to college! I can't
>believe these kids still argue about such trivial B.S. Grow
>up already! Argue about a war, or at least how Fords rule!

He's in the 11th grade EE. What did your world revolve around at that age? I don't entirely agree with the "grow-up" part anyway. Act the age you are, to be sure. But no need to rush the inevitable.


>Send these guys to college on a sports scholarship and you
>have someone that has discipline, strength, blahblahblah,
>but not a clue about history, science, math or, gee, here I
>go again-SPELLING! All that matters is sports. What is
>Refrigerator Perry doing now-a-days?

You're stereo-typing. Some, no not all, NFL players are bar-certified lawyers after football. Some great generals played football in college. As for "fridge", he lives at home in Saluda, SC I believe.

>If football practice is such "he!!", why bother? Why would
>anyone in their right mind VOLUNTEER for such he!!? Try 16
>weeks in Army or Marine Infantry training.

For the chance to do something positive, exciting,get in great physical shape, and to make their high school years (arguably the "golden years" of your life) fun. Basically the same things you would go to military training for.


>Try to get a job after you blow out a knee in college and
>you can't add or subtract.

You're stereo-typing again.
>
>>going somewhere with those skateboard skills?
>Duh, about as far as most go with those useless football
>skills.

You don't agree with any sports then? Power, agility, balance, etc.?


An ex football player and $1.29 will get you a large
>coffee at McDonalds. What do you learn playing football at
>public schools? Well, tax dollars support the programs, so
>everyone that wants to play, plays, right? Wrong. School
>sports programs teach you that only the best can play, even
>when everyone is paying for it. Schools should have pay to
>play. Stop wasting my money.

Man, E.E. that's quite a mouthful. I don't think you want an argument, I think you want a Prozac prescription. Having a bad day are we?

It's funny how these posts end up. The directions they take I mean. Not to mention how difficult humor is to bring across.

I stand by my argument that football is tougher than skateboarding.
I stand by my argument that football teaches skills you can use later in life. As does skateboarding I guess if it's something involving balance and agility.
I agree that no sport is "better" than another and to each his own.
These are my opinions. YOU DON"T HAVE TO AGREE. That's the point in discussion.

Matt says he didn't have a problem with my comment that was merely intended as humor. It was by no means name-calling. As far as I can tell from my other posts I didn't offend anyone else but Rob.Personal attacks aside,since he felt the way he did I offered an apology for him taking it the wrong way.

As far as "attacking another sport I didn't really see it as "attacking" , but defending mine.

You cannot have a debate without two sides to an issue. If some members would like to post something and then have no one argue with them, they need their own forum. Maybe "closed minds.com" or something.

Oh well, it was fun for a little while.

Hope everyone can agree on that!

Chuck

 

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 25-Oct-02 AT 09:33 PM (EST)]Sounds like somebody's been playing without their helmet again.

You don't have to read this, you could just skim through it, but I've been to both worlds, and if you're one of those name-callers, you better listen up:

I played football all throughout HS, and until this year played D-1 college football for The Citadel. The first game I ever played in college was in Death Valley, Clemson, South Carolina, in front of 83,000 people. Football is an excellent activity for HS kids, it teaches discipline, determination, and develops athletic ability. It really is a dream come true to play in a big time NCAA game, and I would offer hope and support to any who aspire to acheive the chance that I have earned, and was lucky enough to have gotten.

However, I will not stand to let anybody say that another man's hobby is "easier", because if you want to know the truth, there are skateboarders that work harder at their sport than some football players do at theirs. Some people will work hard and be the best at anything they do, and you're a completely arrogant fool if you think you work harder than somebody by default, since your sport is "tougher". You must have some rediculous way of thinking, you must think that the toughest, hardest working people in America are on the football team, and all the "others" just fill in everywhere else.

I don't play football anymore because I couldn't get along with the attitude of my team, but mostly because of the unrealistic physical and time demands it placed on me as a student and a cadet. At The Citadel, we have a unique situation, where the military lifestyle conflicts with the football team's agenda, and many cadets resent the football team for not participating in as many military activities as does the rest of the Corps. Obviously, those cadets have little idea what goes on at football practice, and even worse in off-season weights and conditioning. This resentment has grown a severe arrogance on the football team, and the football team and the Corps are two seperate entities, at least socially. The whole thing makes me sick, because there are some cadets here who will push themselves to work even harder than the football team does, yet most of them don't, and each group think that the other's not as good as them, by default. The fact of the matter is that some people are hard workers, and they'll push themselves and expect more out of themselves nomatter what activities they choose to participate in.

This year, the head coach has stepped up the time demand on the team, and I can no longer find a way to succeed academically with little or no time in the morning, day, or evening to study. I'll graduate with a degree in Civil and Environmental Engineering in May, since I respectfully declined my athletic scholarship this year. Engineering is my profession and my calling, and it means everything to me.

I will say to those who have earned and are still putting themselves through college on an athletic scholarship that I wholeheartedly respect what they do, there'll never be any doubt from me that the sacrifices you make for your school are more than deserving of your tuition reimbursement, that's the only way I was able to afford coming to a school like this, and I'm thankful for it every day.

Moral of the story: if you tell somebody that they're not as good as you in any way (harder working, smarter, tougher, etc.) just because you don't do what they do, then you are ignorant of other's sacrifice, and you'll get a hardcore reality check once you get to the real world. Respect others, or they'll never respect you. TK


Cadet Second Lieutenant John F. Daly III
South Carolina Corps of Cadets, The Citadel
The TorqueKing

 

A football is neither a foot nor a ball.....discuss

The "fridge" has been on Howard Stern lately......picking football teams to win......and he's being beaten by a monkey......literally

he also is peddling useless fridge memorabilia on the internet.....in 20 years he'll be at retirement age living below the poverty level like most american retirees.......so what's the difference?

 

BRAVO ZULU, TorqueKing!!!


Your summation was the most eloquent post in the entire thread...

My view:

Niether football nor skateboarding is the answer to the meaning of life the universe and everything.

I don't need to compare myself or my activeties to anyone, or anything else to be satisfied.

I don't feel any need to degrade anyone else's sport or activeties, that would be a sign of something lacking in myself.

The original thread concerned an athletes frustration as evidenced by their response to an input by someone in an unrelated sport or activety.

My response:

Dude, it gets better - trust me.
Train hard, take time to enjoy the ride, don't worry about negative comments (especially if they are from an unqualified source).
Focus instead on positive inputs - feed on SUCCESS.

"Success is like a good disease, hang around people who have it and you'll have it too"

You don't need to worry about what skateboarders think. You're not trying to be a skateboarder!

Myagi say: Think football... BE football...

(if that's what you want to be good at)