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Old May 7, 2010 | 11:07 PM
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Hydro-Boost or no Hydro-Boost?

Hello guys,

2005 F-250 V10 CC Lariat. How do you know if you have Hydro-Boost or not? It is displaying the signs of a worn out master cylinder and the parts guys are asking if it has hydro-Boost. I am not sure how to tell.
Question #2- The trouble shooting procedure in the maintenance manual says to plug the master cylinder outputs and see if you can maintain pedal height. Anyone know the thread pitch and depth of the plugs I need?

Thanks in advance.
 
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Old May 8, 2010 | 12:11 AM
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If your master cylinder is tied by hoses to the power steering pump you have hydro boost.
 
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Old May 8, 2010 | 12:59 AM
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Yup. Non hydronoosts also have a large vacuum canister.
 
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Old May 8, 2010 | 01:06 AM
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A V-10 is a gasoline engine, and has intake manifold vacuum. That vacuum is used to assist the brake master cylinder to create the "power" in power brakes.

A diesel engine has no intake vacuum, and the "power" in power brakes is developed with the use of hydraulic oil pressure in the hydroboost, the same pressure that is supplied for the power steering by the power steering pump.

You have no hydroboost, but a vacuum assist instead.

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Old May 8, 2010 | 01:33 AM
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Originally Posted by SpringerPop
A V-10 is a gasoline engine, and has intake manifold vacuum. That vacuum is used to assist the brake master cylinder to create the "power" in power brakes.

A diesel engine has no intake vacuum, and the "power" in power brakes is developed with the use of hydraulic oil pressure in the hydroboost, the same pressure that is supplied for the power steering by the power steering pump.

You have no hydroboost, but a vacuum assist instead.

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What he said with one clarification, that doesn't apply to the OP, but to be as accurate as possible.

Earlier Ford diesels used a belt driven vacuum pump and standard vacuum assist brakes. I'm not exactly sure when they went to hydroboost for diesels, but I think it was '99. If not then, it was with the 6.0L in '03.

Also I don't believe any E series van with a diesel had hydroboost. I think they all had belt driven pumps. I'm not entirely sure on that last part.
 
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Old May 8, 2010 | 06:55 AM
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Thanks guys. I appreciate your prompt replies. Anyone know what I need to plug the master cylinder outlets so i can trouble shoot it? i.e. thread pitch and depth.
 
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Old May 8, 2010 | 07:39 AM
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E series diesel is vac pump at least to 2005, and I don't believe they changed afterward all the way to 2010.
 
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Old May 8, 2010 | 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by SpringerPop
A V-10 is a gasoline engine, and has intake manifold vacuum. That vacuum is used to assist the brake master cylinder to create the "power" in power brakes.

A diesel engine has no intake vacuum, and the "power" in power brakes is developed with the use of hydraulic oil pressure in the hydroboost, the same pressure that is supplied for the power steering by the power steering pump.

You have no hydroboost, but a vacuum assist instead.

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I don't know if the OP has hydro boost brakes or not, but just because the truck has a gas engine doesn't automatically mean it has vacuum assisted brakes.

My truck has a V10 and hydro boost brakes.
 
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His is a 2005, for which it is true, but you are correct, I over-generalized.

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Hydro boost is a great thing. It does stop better than the vacum asisted setups. If your truck stalls though...
 
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Old May 9, 2010 | 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Lubbockguy1979
Hydro boost is a great thing. It does stop better than the vacum asisted setups. If your truck stalls though...
I'd have to disagree. Hydroboost is OK, but the problem is the power steering pumps they put on these trucks is weak. It is just adequate for the task. Throw in bigger tires to turn, suddenly you're replacing pumps on a regular basis.
 
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Old May 9, 2010 | 04:35 AM
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Hydro boost is a great thing. It does stop better than the vacum asisted setups. If your truck stalls though...
So far I like the hydro boost brakes. This is the first truck I had them on. The pedal is constant and very responsive and this truck has excellent stopping power even when loaded down.
 
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Old May 9, 2010 | 07:09 AM
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They sell plugs with the right thread and taper on the end. Normaly kept behind the counter as there small brass units and cost $5 each
 
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