Cleaning up a Classic
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My turn...one BIG thing you are not realizing John...when it comes to trailers or 5th wheel travel trailers their weight as applied to a trucks towing ability is figured on the TONGUE/PIN WEIGHT respectively...
you can put lets say 10,000 pounds on a trailer...INCLUDING its own empty weight mind you...does that trailer have 10,000 pounds on the tongue...absolutely not...and If Im not mistaken...and based on helping a friend determine the max safe load he can haul with his 2000 F250 and 5th wheel...its something that requires one to pay close attention to the owners manual or warranty plate....which per my 65 brochure plainly says the F100's max GVW as 5000 pounds and the F250 max GVW to be 7500 pounds.
Furthermore, as far as trailers go...proper brakes for them are a big thing as well...nowadays I would recomend electric trailer brakes...it takes a bit to get them set up right.
- cs65
you can put lets say 10,000 pounds on a trailer...INCLUDING its own empty weight mind you...does that trailer have 10,000 pounds on the tongue...absolutely not...and If Im not mistaken...and based on helping a friend determine the max safe load he can haul with his 2000 F250 and 5th wheel...its something that requires one to pay close attention to the owners manual or warranty plate....which per my 65 brochure plainly says the F100's max GVW as 5000 pounds and the F250 max GVW to be 7500 pounds.
Furthermore, as far as trailers go...proper brakes for them are a big thing as well...nowadays I would recomend electric trailer brakes...it takes a bit to get them set up right.
- cs65
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From: Creedmoor, North Carolina
Man I have been pulling trailers for 40 years, what the hell do you think you can teach me about them. I weighed the truck/trailer in the photo at a local feed mill to see what it would weigh. Look at the photo, the truck aint all squatted. It is balanced on the trailer.
When I started pulling trailers they did not have brakes on them. I learned to be aware, drive out ahead, don't get caught with your pants down.
But what the hey, yall beat the bushes all you want.
When you can do as much with a truck as I can you can have my ear.
best
John
When I started pulling trailers they did not have brakes on them. I learned to be aware, drive out ahead, don't get caught with your pants down.
But what the hey, yall beat the bushes all you want.
When you can do as much with a truck as I can you can have my ear.
best
John
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From: Cle Elum WA
My turn...one BIG thing you are not realizing John...when it comes to trailers or 5th wheel travel trailers their weight as applied to a trucks towing ability is figured on the TONGUE/PIN WEIGHT respectively...
you can put lets say 10,000 pounds on a trailer...INCLUDING its own empty weight mind you...does that trailer have 10,000 pounds on the tongue...absolutely not...and If Im not mistaken...and based on helping a friend determine the max safe load he can haul with his 2000 F250 and 5th wheel...its something that requires one to pay close attention to the owners manual or warranty plate....which per my 65 brochure plainly says the F100's max GVW as 5000 pounds and the F250 max GVW to be 7500 pounds.
Furthermore, as far as trailers go...proper brakes for them are a big thing as well...nowadays I would recomend electric trailer brakes...it takes a bit to get them set up right.
- cs65
you can put lets say 10,000 pounds on a trailer...INCLUDING its own empty weight mind you...does that trailer have 10,000 pounds on the tongue...absolutely not...and If Im not mistaken...and based on helping a friend determine the max safe load he can haul with his 2000 F250 and 5th wheel...its something that requires one to pay close attention to the owners manual or warranty plate....which per my 65 brochure plainly says the F100's max GVW as 5000 pounds and the F250 max GVW to be 7500 pounds.
Furthermore, as far as trailers go...proper brakes for them are a big thing as well...nowadays I would recomend electric trailer brakes...it takes a bit to get them set up right.
- cs65
I'm sure you know this...I think I might be interpreting your post wrong.
GCWR...Gross Combined Weight Rating is different...That is what the truck, trailer, load, people, etc COMBINED can weigh.
But GVW is only the truck, and has nothing to do with towing capacity.
For instance my 95 half ton Yukon can haul 1300lbs in the car,
but has a 6500lb towing capacity....According to the manual.
Greg
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John
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cs, In the case of your buddies F250....It should have a sticker in the door jam or there abouts, where the factory lists GAWR (gross axle weight rating) front, and GAWR rear.
If he is concerned that the truck may be overloaded ,he needs to roll onto the scale with the trailer hooked, up and weigh the front axle and the rear axle of the truck INDIVIDUALLY to make sure he is within the axle/tire limits of the truck..
Greg
If he is concerned that the truck may be overloaded ,he needs to roll onto the scale with the trailer hooked, up and weigh the front axle and the rear axle of the truck INDIVIDUALLY to make sure he is within the axle/tire limits of the truck..
Greg
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COTZ13A024A .. Dimmer Switch (Motorcraft SW263).
Fits a gazillion cars/trucks from 1960 into the 1990's, every parts store should have it.
Whoever told you these trucks are true half tons, doesn't know diddly.
The truck weighs about 3800 lbs. The Gross Vehicle Weight Rating is 5,000 lbs.
The difference between the actual weight of the truck and the GVWR (1200 lbs.) is what Ford said the truck was safe to carry.
While some ppl here on FTE will disagree on how much you can haul or tow, this is what Ford had printed on the Warranty Plate.
WARRANTY VOID IF MAX GROSS VEHICLE WEIGHT IS EXCEEDED.
These trucks have terrible brakes for today's traffic. Back then, most ppl didn't drive any faster than 55, so the 11" x 2" front drum brakes and 11" x 1 3/4" rear brakes were adequate.
Today, it's a different story.
btw: Since you are a
you prolly aren't aware that I bought a 1965 F100 brand new in March 1965 and sold it in November 2009.
So...when I say the drum brakes aren't worth squat, I ain't just a whistlin' Dixie.
I'm not aware that STP offers vinyl treatment.
Originally, STP (Specially Treated Petroleum [ppl called it Studebaker Tickled Pink or Super Tiger P!ss]) was/is a next to worthless oil treatment with a consistancy of cold molasses you poured in the engine.
Make sure you don't use this type of STP on the dash.
Fits a gazillion cars/trucks from 1960 into the 1990's, every parts store should have it.
Whoever told you these trucks are true half tons, doesn't know diddly.The truck weighs about 3800 lbs. The Gross Vehicle Weight Rating is 5,000 lbs.
The difference between the actual weight of the truck and the GVWR (1200 lbs.) is what Ford said the truck was safe to carry.
While some ppl here on FTE will disagree on how much you can haul or tow, this is what Ford had printed on the Warranty Plate.
WARRANTY VOID IF MAX GROSS VEHICLE WEIGHT IS EXCEEDED.
These trucks have terrible brakes for today's traffic. Back then, most ppl didn't drive any faster than 55, so the 11" x 2" front drum brakes and 11" x 1 3/4" rear brakes were adequate.
Today, it's a different story.
btw: Since you are a
you prolly aren't aware that I bought a 1965 F100 brand new in March 1965 and sold it in November 2009.So...when I say the drum brakes aren't worth squat, I ain't just a whistlin' Dixie.
I'm not aware that STP offers vinyl treatment.
Originally, STP (Specially Treated Petroleum [ppl called it Studebaker Tickled Pink or Super Tiger P!ss]) was/is a next to worthless oil treatment with a consistancy of cold molasses you poured in the engine.
Make sure you don't use this type of STP on the dash.
Bill NumberDummy answered that the GVWR is 3800# for the truck and would carry the remaining 1200#'s as load.
If we assume a 200# driver, then the statement that these are true 1/2 ton trucks is correct. They will carry 1000# load or 1/2 ton.
I am just unsure why ND says the person making this statement didn't know diddly??
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OLD HARLEY: Read lines 9 & 10 in post #1.
Notice that I said about 3800 lbs. I didn't say the truck actually weighed 3800 lbs. It could weigh more...or less. And the GVWR is 5,000 lbs, not 3800 lbs.
What some of y'all are forgetting is the liability factor. People today just love to sue for all sorts of reasons.
One idiot recently sued his dry cleaner for 7 million bucks, claiming they ruined a pair of his pants!
Telling ppl it's safe to carry all sorts of weight that Ford said would void the warranty, IMO...opens up a can of worms.
What would happen...say...if a person followed this advice, then his rear axleshaft snapped, the truck veered into traffic, hittiing another vehicle maiming or killing the driver/passengers?
The truck owner would be sued, it's possible others would too...that passed along this advice. Don't think it will happen? Go right on ahead and keep posting this jazz.
This is why I quote what FoMoCo had printed on the Warranty Plates and in owners manuals...because FoMoCo didn't want to get sued, and I don't want to get sued either.
One other thing...the newer 1/2 tons trucks can carry and tow far more weight than the trucks of this vintage. Because...the newer 1/2 ton trucks are not really 1/2 tons...at all.
2004/2008 F150 5.4L CC's weigh 6200 lbs. The 2004/2010 Nissan Titan CC's weigh 5600 lbs. Both are rated to tow over 8,000 lbs., are rated to carry well in excess of 1000 lbs.
Notice that I said about 3800 lbs. I didn't say the truck actually weighed 3800 lbs. It could weigh more...or less. And the GVWR is 5,000 lbs, not 3800 lbs.
What some of y'all are forgetting is the liability factor. People today just love to sue for all sorts of reasons.
One idiot recently sued his dry cleaner for 7 million bucks, claiming they ruined a pair of his pants!
Telling ppl it's safe to carry all sorts of weight that Ford said would void the warranty, IMO...opens up a can of worms.
What would happen...say...if a person followed this advice, then his rear axleshaft snapped, the truck veered into traffic, hittiing another vehicle maiming or killing the driver/passengers?
The truck owner would be sued, it's possible others would too...that passed along this advice. Don't think it will happen? Go right on ahead and keep posting this jazz.
This is why I quote what FoMoCo had printed on the Warranty Plates and in owners manuals...because FoMoCo didn't want to get sued, and I don't want to get sued either.
One other thing...the newer 1/2 tons trucks can carry and tow far more weight than the trucks of this vintage. Because...the newer 1/2 ton trucks are not really 1/2 tons...at all.
2004/2008 F150 5.4L CC's weigh 6200 lbs. The 2004/2010 Nissan Titan CC's weigh 5600 lbs. Both are rated to tow over 8,000 lbs., are rated to carry well in excess of 1000 lbs.
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Man, I love this forum! You guys are not only full of information, but colorful as well! :-) Thanks for all the hauling and towing tips, and for the cleaning tips as well. You guys are great. I don't have all that much to tow. Just maybe like a yard at a time of dirt... but I can take the suggestion and make multiple trips. Split the loads into two. It's not a commercial thing -- just the wife's backyard garden projects. I figured I'd take it easy on 'her the first couple of hauls, while we get to know each other better. I can see what she's capable of, and she can see that I'm gentle and respectful. Geez! This is startin' to sound like my wedding night!
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