Does anyone have stats on how many 6.0l were sold in North America each year they were made?
How many were sold compared to Dodge and GM?
I've heard that Ford out sold the other 2 combined which makes sense why the 6.0 gets a bad wrap. What I'm trying to figure out are some stats. Is EGR failure a 1 in 10 issue or 1 in 100?
From the chatter one would assume the engine was no better than Russian roulette but if there are 100,000 on the road and 1,000 fail & 100 post negatively???
I suspect failure lie with how hard the unit is pushed: are the majority of failures directly related to pulling big loads up big hills in blistering heat?
My 05 seems like a very solid truck but if the odds are stacked against me I don't like to bet a losing horse.
I know that you Ford folks have the answers so please share with a recent convert.
Love the truck!

 

I dont know the numbers, but I can tell you this. The egr failures are not due to the driver, for the most part anyways. The main reason for egr failures is poor coolant flow. This is caused by casting sand that international didn't do a very good job of get out of the block when it was cast. This casting sand plugs the coolant flow ports in the oil cooler, whitch in turns limits flow to the egr cooler since it gets its flow right after the oil cooler. This decrease in flow makes the egr cooler get hot and it fails internaly. Then once your egr cooler fails if not taken care of it can lead to a blown HG. There are two things you can do to limit/catch it earily enough to keep from causing more damage. First and probably the most important thing is install a coolant filter to get rid of the casting sand that might be in your block. Diesel site sells a really good one. Then you need to get some sort of gauges (be it a digital one that moniters multiple things, or individual analog gauges is up to you). Keep an eye on EOT and ECT. There should be a direct relation between the two. There should never be more than 15 degress difference between them at operating temps. EOT being the higher one. If EOT gets over 15 deg higher than ECT then your oil cooler is starting to pluged, and needs to be rebuilt or replaced. The 6.0 do get a bad rap because there are so many out there and no one comes on here just to post how good there truck is, for the most part any ways. Every one hears nouthing but the bad stuff. The other problem is this motor is a hole new breed of diesel. There are a lot of cases of just plane bad diags. So the owner ends up in the shop way more than he should. hope that helps slove your questions.

 

Relating DTCs to what is actually failing --- component, sensor, wiring, or just a plain old fashioned computer glitch is a major weak point.

Often the DTCs can be cleared -- and there is nothing to do afterwards.

Intermittent faults, software bugs, all take a toll.

Unless it is a "drop dead now" code, no 6.x owner should freak out when they see a CEL.

Whereas on a gasser, CEL technology is pretty well established and rarely do spurious codes show, on the 6.x it is showing up all to frequently for the wrong reasons, such as a computer glitch.

 

All good info- thanks guys.
I'll go with my gut and put in the coolant filter and treat it with good fluid changes and do the temp gauges when I can afford it.
Still curious about the original question: how many 6.0l sold each year?

 

Roughly 25% of all Fs and Es are sold with diesels.

Throw in maybe 5,000 to 10,000 E series diesels, then there are chassis cabs, etc.

Then add Navistar's own output for their own trucks

There are marine versions, industrial engine versions, etc.


You are looking at about 250,000 per year thereabouts.

That is somewhere around 1.25 million units.

Then, there is the tail of E series to 2010 model year.

I would thumbnail guess 1.3 to 1.5 million units total sold.


Out of that, probably most of them are still on the road.

That is why you can get rebuilts for $5 to $6k.

 

Those are huge numbers - now does anyone know how many GM & Dodge sell of their diesels?
I'm betting that combined it's less than 1/3 of Ford. Which means that there is 3x the potential for unhappy Ford owners to sully the 6.0l name online.
Again- I'm a numbers guy and like to fully understand the underlying contexts.
Here in BC I see 75% of the Diesel trucks are Fords which must mean something!
Thanks for the numbers gearloose 1!

 

BTW, my numbers above may be a bit aggressive because truck sales peaked out in 2007 and plunged.

The quote is from autoweek:

Ford's diesel drama drags on: Power Stroke woes anger buyers, drive up warranty costs

that dates from 2005....

So a bit of guessing.. and the number drops a bit.


Sales of pickups in the most recent year is down a lot:

2009 Year-End Top 10 Pickup Truck Sales - PickupTrucks.com News

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2010/01...uck-sales.html

If you roughly assume that market share hasn't changed much and the percentage of diesel is roughly the same, there is a lot less GM and Dodge diesels out there.

 

Those numbers probably don't include the 450 and 550 series trucks that also had the 6.0

 

Nor the E series, which had a lot of diesels (virtually every ambulance), plus what Navistar sold, what was sold as industrial / commercial / marine engines.


People underestimate that the 6.0 was a viable engine right up to EPA 2010.

IMHO, the 6.4 was done for competitive reasons, not because it was any better than the 6.0 in basic design.


The real advance technologically came in the 6.7 (Navistar 2010 6.4) generation ---

See features like the EGR redesigned (to be after the cooler), the new block... and so on.

Much of the development money went into the urea system.

 

If you are looking for parts for a 2004 F250 on the AutoZone web site, the search claims that 64% of the trucks in 2004 had the diesel option. That is a big number.

 

I just went to the AutoZone site and searched for 05 and 06 F250 and F350 trucks. They are showing 73% of the 05 F250's have the 6.0 and 91% of the F350's. In 06 it dropped to 71%. Thats a lot of trucks/

 

I disagree with that part of the statement ie: dpf filters and not much on the engine is interchangeable. I feel the 6.4 was epa driven up till Ford split with Navistar.

 

Top 10 Pickup Truck Sales in 2009 No. 1: Ford F-Series

I think that F-150 is driving these numbers.