Notices
General NON-Automotive Conversation No Political, Sexual or Religious topics please.

Turn computer off or not ?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Apr 20, 2010 | 06:17 AM
  #1  
mark a.'s Avatar
mark a.
Thread Starter
|
Lead Driver
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 8,922
Likes: 153
Turn computer off or not ?

We had a heated discussion about turning the computer off, so my brother who has a PHD in computer science and heads up the r&d at Orical (former Storage Tec in Co.) was asked and he said :

OK, here's my take on this.

It's fine to leave the computer plugged in, turned on and running all the time. In fact a lot of Windows systems are set to receive automatic updates from Microsoft daily at 3am, so you might miss out on critical updates if you switch the machine off at night and you don't download updates manually on a regular basis. Same goes for antivirus software updates. So from the software side of things no harm in leaving it up all the time, although I am a believer in periodic reboots "just because", like maybe once a month. Sometimes systems that stay up for a long time just start acting weird, and rebooting clears things up.

Now on the hardware side of things, everything you say is perfectly logical and makes perfectly good sense. Except in bizarro computer land, common sense doesn't always pay off. In my experience, computer electronics hate to be turned off. There are always more problems after a power cycle than if the machine had stayed up. The power-on surge is harder on cold components, they like sustained, steady-state temperatures rather than cool-down, heat-up cycles.

Your advice isn't bad or wrong, and there's no guarantee that either approach will result in a longer-lasting or more trouble-free system. And PC newts will love to debate and argue this topic till the cows come home because, well, they're newts, and that's what they do. But there's definately nothing wrong with leaving things up all the time. The parts are designed to run for years, and for the most part they do just that. By the time a fan of a power supply blows out, your system will be worthless and it's time to replace it with a newer, faster computer with all the latest software.

If I write any more on this topic I'll turn into a PC newt so I'll quit while I'm ahead.

Tom
 
Reply
Old Apr 20, 2010 | 06:54 AM
  #2  
modar's Avatar
modar
Elder User
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 643
Likes: 0
turn it on when I get up and turn it off when I go to bed. only for down loading big files do I let it run overnight.
 
Reply
Old Apr 20, 2010 | 07:00 AM
  #3  
mistakenID's Avatar
mistakenID
Posting Guru
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 1,627
Likes: 0
From: West Valley Utah
I haven't seen that question debated for a while. It has been debated for years, and years and years and...

No one has the definitive answer. Just do whatever trip yer trigger. I've tried both ways and there is not enough power usage difference to bother about. One of mine has been running 24/7 for the past 9 years with only a reboot for updates.
 
Reply
Old Apr 20, 2010 | 07:02 AM
  #4  
hanklin's Avatar
hanklin
Hotshot
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 13,011
Likes: 742
From: Here in No. Calif
I leave mine on with multiple apps. running such as FTE , blue prints and poker. Never an issue and I have cable compared to dial-up. I also run AVG, Spybot and Malware to thwart the evils out there
 
Reply
Old Apr 20, 2010 | 07:31 AM
  #5  
Furyus1's Avatar
Furyus1
Postmaster
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 3,940
Likes: 8
From: Southern Oregon Coast
I leave mine running 24/7 - about the only time I shut it off is when I take it out to the garage to blow the dust out of it... I also do torrent downloads from time to time and have to set it up to do it in the wee hours of the morning so as not to interrupt the wife's gaming lol...

The wife and daughter tend to shut theirs down when not in use - they have this thing about "giving the computer a rest" - I may use what the OP's brother stated to try and convince them to leave them running, though...
 
Reply
Old Apr 20, 2010 | 09:06 AM
  #6  
00BlueOvalRanger's Avatar
00BlueOvalRanger
Logistics Pro
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 4,562
Likes: 2
From: Southern MD
Run pcs both ways.

I've not booted either of my desktop pcs (at home), or my MAC in months.
On the other hand, my wife's pc (that I maintain) and the two remaining kids at the house. . . well. . . .their pcs (that I maintain) haven't been turned off in months.

Laptops. . .
5 in the house.
My daughter just 'hibernates' her laptop.
All of the others are shut down after they are used, unless we're coming back to it/them during the day/weekend.

Electric usage vs. cold boot issues. . . .
Same/same.
I've come to that point in my life where IF I worry over the electric bill. . . I'd get nothing done.
My wife pays the bills. I've NEVER seen a late notice (and we still have $$$ in the bank). Not much, but, there's still some in there!
 
Reply
Old Apr 20, 2010 | 09:16 AM
  #7  
ddrumman2004's Avatar
ddrumman2004
Posting Guru
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 1,931
Likes: 1
From: N. Mississippi
My 6 year old desktop stays on 24/7 and the only time it gets turned off is if there is a thunderstorm or I'm going to be gone for more than 24 hours. When a storm is brewing, I also disconnect everything from the pc case, power cord, router cable etc...

I do reboot it when I decide to play Flight Simulator so I can start it in a "gaming" mode where I have almost all services shut down except for what is needed to run the app.
 
Reply
Old Apr 20, 2010 | 09:43 AM
  #8  
Virto's Avatar
Virto
Posting Guru
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 1,394
Likes: 0
From: Des Plaines, Illinois
I've got 2 systems powered on constantly. Start/stop heat/cold cycles are rough on electronics, especially if there are any weak solder joints. This is a major reason early XBOX360 consoles broke, is that weak joints would snap away from chips on the board.

Just set your display to power off after an hour or so, and leave the PC running.

Note however, if you smoke or live in a house with a smoker, pull the case lid off every few months and suck out the surprising amount of crap that you'll find inside. I've seen intake fans seize from the stuff after working for a pack-a-day client.
 
Reply
FTE Stories

Ford Trucks for Ford Truck Enthusiasts

story-0

Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalytic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath

 Verdad Gallardo
story-1

Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

 Joe Kucinski
story-2

2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

 Brett Foote
story-3

Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

 Joe Kucinski
story-4

AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

 Brett Foote
story-5

Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-6

Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

 Verdad Gallardo
story-7

10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

 Brett Foote
story-9

2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

 Michael S. Palmer
Old Apr 20, 2010 | 01:46 PM
  #9  
Ford_Six's Avatar
Ford_Six
Hotshot
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 18,488
Likes: 22
From: The Big, Oregon
Club FTE Gold Member
Well, I run mine all day then off at night. I've been doing this for seven years now with no obvious ill effects. I have had issues with XP loading up and slowing way down when left on for an extended time, plus my video card has given me some overheating problems in the past.
I did just finally replace my case fan a couple weeks ago, the original one has sounded like a small diesel running against the governor since the computer was new.
 
Reply
Old Apr 20, 2010 | 04:54 PM
  #10  
bpounds's Avatar
bpounds
Hotshot
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 17,398
Likes: 317
From: Whittier, CA
Originally Posted by mark a.
OK, here's my take on this.

It's fine to leave the computer plugged in, turned on and running all the time. In fact a lot of Windows systems are set to receive automatic updates from Microsoft daily at 3am, so you might miss out on critical updates if you switch the machine off at night and you don't download updates manually on a regular basis. Same goes for antivirus software updates. So from the software side of things no harm in leaving it up all the time, although I am a believer in periodic reboots "just because", like maybe once a month. Sometimes systems that stay up for a long time just start acting weird, and rebooting clears things up.

Now on the hardware side of things, everything you say is perfectly logical and makes perfectly good sense. Except in bizarro computer land, common sense doesn't always pay off. In my experience, computer electronics hate to be turned off. There are always more problems after a power cycle than if the machine had stayed up. The power-on surge is harder on cold components, they like sustained, steady-state temperatures rather than cool-down, heat-up cycles.

Your advice isn't bad or wrong, and there's no guarantee that either approach will result in a longer-lasting or more trouble-free system. And PC newts will love to debate and argue this topic till the cows come home because, well, they're newts, and that's what they do. But there's definately nothing wrong with leaving things up all the time. The parts are designed to run for years, and for the most part they do just that. By the time a fan of a power supply blows out, your system will be worthless and it's time to replace it with a newer, faster computer with all the latest software.
I agree with everything your brother said. And I could not have said it any better.
 
Reply
Old Apr 20, 2010 | 05:04 PM
  #11  
tseekins's Avatar
tseekins
Super Moderator
15 Year Member
Veteran: Coast Guard
Community Builder
Community Favorite
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 40,024
Likes: 1,519
From: Maine, Virginia
Club FTE Gold Member
My system is 7 years old and runs 24/7 except for heavy thunderstorms and going on vacation. Never an issue.
 
Reply
Old Apr 23, 2010 | 10:16 AM
  #12  
Lead Head's Avatar
Lead Head
Lead Driver
15 Year Member
Photogenic
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 7,868
Likes: 9
From: Rhode Island
Our "family" computer has had over 3 months of 24/7 uptime before, until it finally had to be rebooted for an update.

IMO, if your computer is older you'd be better off to leave it running. As hard drives age, the bearings stop providing the same anti-friction level when the drive was powered down as they did when new. So there is a chance when you shut your computer down, the bearing will "soft seize" and the motor will not have enough grunt to get the thing spinning again. The read/write heads can also stick to the platter surfaces, causing a similar issue.
 
Reply
Old Apr 23, 2010 | 12:04 PM
  #13  
andym's Avatar
andym
Post Fiend
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 19,402
Likes: 38
From: Bonita Springs FL
The arguments made for keeping a PC on 24/7 are valid, however I don't think that by shutting your PC off every night you are going to cause any damage either. These days, manufacturing standards have gotten so much better that shutting a PC off every night just isn't going to hurt it.

I remember back in the 90's I was working on some older Sun hardware and the SCSI drives that they used (the big ones were 1 whole GB) had the cold-grease problem where the platters wouldn't spin up in time for the controller to initialize and detect the drive. So what I had to do was power the thing up, wait for it to fail to detect the disk, turn the box off and then turn it right back on again. This wouldn't allow time for the platters to spin down so they had a head start on the next reboot where it would be detected fine. If they were still stuck, I would remove the drive, and try to "un-stick" the platters by snapping the drive with my wrist in a circular motion. Sometimes this would help free the platters up.

This hardware is 20 years old today, and manufacturing standards have gotten so much better that this is a worry of the past. This simply never happens anymore.

So I really don't think it matters what you do with your PC anymore. Leave it on, shut it off, it's not really going to make a difference in the longevity of the system.

My laptop stays on 24/7 FWIW.
 
Reply
Old Apr 23, 2010 | 12:29 PM
  #14  
ghunt's Avatar
ghunt
Postmaster
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 3,724
Likes: 0
From: Clarksburg WV
Hm, the only time mine ever actually gets turned off is when the power goes out...BUT, I leave the computer on standby whenever I'm not using it (and it spends a LOT of time on standby since I rarely use my home computer nowadays- posting this from work).

I have my work computer set up the same way, standby on nights and weekends.
 
Reply
Old Apr 23, 2010 | 09:18 PM
  #15  
donjamer's Avatar
donjamer
Moderator
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 164,377
Likes: 82
From: MA
Club FTE Gold Member
Here is my take on this and it may get you thinking...

I shut my pc's off when not using them for long periods of time.. If I am leaving the house they get shut off.. The PC has been running for 8 years and no issues..

I recommend to all my customers to shut them down.. I had one that started shutting them down and one night he forgot to shut it off.. The next morning he smelled something electric burning.. It was the desktop.. The motherboard component failed..
Who know what would have happened if he wasn't home to unplug it..

PC's are electrical components that can go bad at anytime.. They can cause fires so shut them down..

I don't want to come home to firetrucks at my house cause my PC burnt up..

I will wait the 30 seconds it takes to boot up..

My 2 cents...
 
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:31 AM.

story-0
Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalytic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath

Slideshow: Called the Fortress, the 850-horsepower pickup combines Raptor underpinnings with military-inspired features, survival equipment, and a starting price of $285,000.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-30 18:33:59


VIEW MORE
story-1
Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

Slideshow: 10 most expensive Ford trucks ever sold on Bring a Trailer.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 16:24:34


VIEW MORE
story-2
2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

Here's everything that has changed for the latest model year.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-27 16:17:28


VIEW MORE
story-3
Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

Slideshow: Top 10 Ford truck tragedies.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-18 19:34:33


VIEW MORE
story-4
AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

And it might be even better than that.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-18 19:26:42


VIEW MORE
story-5
Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

Slideshow: Does lowering an F-150 Lobo RUIN the ride quality?

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-18 19:20:37


VIEW MORE
story-6
Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

Slideshow: Ford's bizarre fishing-themed Explorer concept has resurfaced after spending decades largely forgotten.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:07:46


VIEW MORE
story-7
10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

Slideshow: The 10 best Ford truck engines we miss the most.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 13:09:47


VIEW MORE
story-8
2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

Slideshow: first look at the 810 hp 2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road!

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-12 12:50:07


VIEW MORE
story-9
2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

Slideshow: Everything You Need to Know about the 2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-07 17:51:06


VIEW MORE