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03 expedition wont start--how do you test fuel relay

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Failing fuse box

Well the short answer to that is because it will save you money. It WILL fail and they typically fail at 100k-150k depending on climate. It's a known problem and $60. Is peace of mind and cheaper than a tow. But you can waste time testing if you would like. There's hundreds of forums about this with one simple answer, have it repaired.
 
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Kind of funny with a new 3 post user "dtrent" which apparently sent off his fusebox from a 05 Expedition to have it repaired for fuel pump relay, when the 05 Expedition doesn't have this problem and the fuel pump is driven by the fuel pump driver module in the back... Sure, it has its own problems, but it's not with any relay for fuel pump..
 
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Originally Posted by Limited_865
It has never stalled.
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Well the short answer to that is because it will save you money. It's a known problem and $60. Is peace of mind and cheaper than a tow.
I'm sure each failure is different, so I'll tell about mine. When mine failed, it would stall, then was hard to start. It was never hard to start without stalling first. Limited_865's has never stalled, probably not the relay. Mine stalled twice over a couple weeks time while I researched and did troubleshooting to find the problem. Each time it restarted after about 5 minutes of sitting, no tow needed. I saved money by repairing it myself. It was about $25 to buy a relay and solder sucker to help remove the old relay.
 
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I replaced the fuel filter and I'm still having the same issue. Last night I checked the inertia switch voltage with the key on and it was 3v. I'm thinking it maybe the relay. The relay is cheaper than the fuel pump so I think I may start with it. Thanks for your help.
 
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Last night I checked the inertia switch voltage with the key on and it was 3v.
Go back and re-read post #21. The fuel pump drive voltage is only valid for that brief window. After that window closes and in a no-start condition, you'll read anywhere from 3-8 volts which, if you don't follow the timing interval correctly, can lead you to incorrect assumptions.
 
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Fuse box failure

Although the 2005 models do have a fuel pump module they still have the same relays in the fuse box which is the same ones that fail in the older models which the fuel pump module needs to operate. In my opinion it's such a common problem that it's just easier to have the fuse box with new parts then troubleshoot other issues after.
 
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Yes, the 05 has a fuel pump relay, but it's not under the same type of load as the older one due to the fuel pump driver module. Failing fuel pump relays are NOT a common failure point for '05 and newer, failing fuel pump driver module however, that is a common failure point due to corrosion.
 
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Fuse box issues

I do agree with you that it's not the same load but the same relay still fails on the 05 in the fuse box. You right it's not as common on these because of the fuel module but it still happens. This should have been a recall fixed by ford but somehow it's not.
 
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Limited_865, take a look at this thread where I documented my relay issue https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...dom-stall.html I was able to see a bad solder joint where the relay overheated. I redid the joint to get me by while I waited on parts. If the relay is the problem, it should be obvious. At that point you can decide if you have the ability to do it yourself or need to send it for repair. If it's not obvious that it's bad, then it's probably not the problem.
 
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Thank you guys for all the help. I had the fuel pump relay replaced and I'm waiting to get it back. I hope this is the fix. All the symptoms were indicating that it was.
 
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Pcm relay

PCM relay keeps burning out. Replaced fuse box battery light still comes on saying check charging system. Why would the PCM keep burning out? What else could it be?
 
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