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V8toilet, check out the meaning of your words. Ignorant would mean that I didn't know something. Your use appeared to be intended as an insult. By the way I am not ignorant of how a tundra handles a load. As I stated this is a friend of mine's truck and I have driven it with a load in the bed that is no more than what I have put in F150's before. And as I stated it had more of a tendency to want to wander than I was accustomed to. Wander=weight in rear lifts front of truck reducing contact with front wheels decreasing steering and the ability to maintain a straight line. Sorry if my comments offended you but they are based on experience and not ignorance. Until reading your post I was ignorant of the fact that you had a toyota.
you know what i don't like about it - no base version. I want something with a hose-out floor and manual windows, no plastic hanging off the body and a price under 20k. it ain't happening with either of the imports. plus another thing I like about ford or even chevy for that matter is that they make millions of them and you can always find parts and someone to work on it. with the imports, you better like your dealer's service dept!
Here is a photo I took at the 2003 Auto show in Detroit last month.
Edit:
I took this photo on Wednesday Jan/8th just as they were going to put a cover on it, protecting it for some reason.
They were quite upset when I took it.
Why?, I don't know.
I touched the left fender with my thumb and the metal is so thin,that thought the indent was going to stay.
It took a nice photo though.
They weren't protecting it when I was shooting photos along with another web site admin. They even offered me literature on it. What you saw was a very pre-production demo unit so the metal was likely hand-produced, hence its thin.
They weren't protecting it when I was shooting photos along with another web site admin. They even offered us literature on it. We noted that unlike the Toyota, it was a true fullsize. The back of the cab borrows a lot of styling from the current F-150. What you saw was a very pre-production demo unit so the metal was likely hand-produced, hence its thin.
That's weird Ken.
When I arrived at the truck they were wiping it down to remove all the dust and stuff.
They tried to shooosh me away, then they covered it with a soft cover right away.
I just assumed they left the cover on.
I must admit, I most certainly do prefer (Ford-Dodge-Chevy)
At one time buying from these three meant buying American, now most imports are made domestically,and all the big three use foreign made parts in their rigs-so the line is fuzzier than ever before.
I no longer have the same disdain for the foreign automakers as most of the cash from US sales stays here anyway.
That being said- I would never buy a Toyota- or Nissan pickup.
Both are considered full sized-but really they are somewhere between a Dakota and a true(by us standards) full size pickup.
Still too small for my tastes-also without bias toward the manufacturers I can truely say -the rear ends and frames on these trucks are puny.
One more reason I would'int buy the Nissan-at least the Toyota is a half way decent-looking truck, but that Nissan is just plain butt ugly.
On the frame note. I have to laugh. Back in the 80's when people really liked the little toys, my friend bought a one ton. The truck is the same size as the half ton. I don't know where you could have put a ton of stuff unless it was lead. To the best of my knowledge the frame looked as small as the half ton. Had the truck been any longer it probably would have folded the frame. It also rode like a solid tire bobcat.
3 tons of Type2 rock in the bed of My 77 f-250! Cruised it 45 miles perhour 30 miles no prob. 351M C-6 Dana 60 1 ton rear. add a leaf rear support, and hi- jacker shocks. 16 ply com. tires!
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