Notices
1999 - 2016 Super Duty 1999 to 2016 Ford F250, F350, F450 and F550 Super Duty with diesel V8 and gas V8 and V10 engines
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: Real Truck

TorqShift ignorance

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Mar 26, 2010 | 02:50 PM
  #1  
ssharber's Avatar
ssharber
Thread Starter
|
Tuned
15 Year Member
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 413
Likes: 1
From: Tennessee
TorqShift ignorance

I have an early job 1 SD CC with the external filter. I have called 5 different dealerships around my area trying to find out about getting the trans flushed and the filters changed. I've been quoted $839.00 at one dealer, $209.00 at another that informed me that the filters would not have to be changed because the flushing cleans them, another dealership told me that the filters only came together in a kit when I told them I HAD the external filter already, and that it would be $380.00 if they used MY filters. Another one said it would be $190.00 if they used my external filter, and finally I got one guy who informed me that the TorqShift in the 08's was a "sealed" transmission and didn't need the fluid changed for 100,000 miles, and that the filters didn't need changing. I asked him if he was referring instead to the rear diff, but he guaranteed me no, he knew what he was talking about, and that my tranny didn't need flushing or the filters changed, which I found odd in a sense that usually they will tell you that you DEFINITELY need this or that done just to get your money. This guy actually ran me away. So I've come to the conclusion that I'm not going to be taking my truck to ANY of the dealerships around me, and that I need to ask any of you on this forum if you've had a good experience from a dealership who KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT and if so, let me know where it is and I'll DRIVE THERE for the knowledgeable staff. Thanks
 
Reply
Old Mar 26, 2010 | 03:13 PM
  #2  
backwoodsgoop's Avatar
backwoodsgoop
Junior User
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 90
Likes: 0
tranny sevice

The recommended service interval for your transmission is 30,000 miles

about it being a sealed unit not needing service for 100,000 miles is hogwash,

The pan gasket is reusable and tranny pan should have a drain plug, aside from a flush draining the pan will get 10 of the 16 quartz of oil out of it, and change filter, fairly easy, 800$ is insane!!!

There is a in line filter as well on the cooler line, I attempted to change this filter recently on a repair of one of these rigs but found the filter housing bracket to be chincy and flexed to much for the torque required to remove the bowl to replace the little roll of toilet paper that goes in there, so I just left it since it only filters a portion of the oil in the system and from what was in the pan I just left it be, nothing in the pan to indicate particulates in the tranny,

hope this helps Frank
 
Reply
Old Mar 26, 2010 | 04:43 PM
  #3  
backwoodsgoop's Avatar
backwoodsgoop
Junior User
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 90
Likes: 0
Torqshift ignorance

Scott in re reading your post, what you may find at any and all dealerships is intentional ignorance, so heres what you do,

Go back to the dealership that quoted you 800$ to perform a Tranny service
tell them that you think that you are capable of draining and refilling your transmission.

Your vehicle is 2008 model year so should still be under the basic power train warranty if under 36,000 miles

Tell them you would like to have the SP fluid free of charge!
They will look at you as if you have gone nuts

Then refer to the laws passed in 1975 regarding manufactures warrantys
They are the magnuson-moss warranty act

Ask them to provide you a wavier from the FTC or free tranny juice

simple as that. Think this is crasy well look into it as the law reads if a manufacture states that only one type of oil is needed to meet the requirements of their warranty which Ford does state and since nobody has purchased this patent from Ford and even though others claim to have compatible fluid with out purchasing the rights from Ford, They could and have and will decline warranty repairs due to incompatible fluid,
so if this is Fords position on this you as the consumer are protected from this racket by the FTC and can be provided this special fluid "free of charge"

Torqshift ignorance, your going to have to look in the aftermarket for straight answers on this tranny
 
Reply
Old Mar 26, 2010 | 05:21 PM
  #4  
edjunior's Avatar
edjunior
Cargo Master
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 2,243
Likes: 79
From: Roman Forest, TX
Huh??
 
Reply
Old Mar 26, 2010 | 06:30 PM
  #5  
galaxie641's Avatar
galaxie641
Postmaster
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 4,517
Likes: 3
From: SE Wyoming
Not sure if there were any changes but we had our '05 serviced every 30K and they changed the external filter both times, it was $300-$400 to do, the Mercon SP is a big part of the price.
 
Reply
Old Mar 26, 2010 | 07:08 PM
  #6  
Mark Kovalsky's Avatar
Mark Kovalsky
Frmr Ford Trans Engr
25 Year Member
Liked
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 3
Joined: Aug 1999
Posts: 24,738
Likes: 2,666
From: SE Florida
Originally Posted by backwoodsgoop
Tell them you would like to have the SP fluid free of charge!
Good luck with that. Let us know how that works for you.

Originally Posted by backwoodsgoop
They will look at you as if you have gone nuts
And for good reason....
 
Reply
Old Mar 26, 2010 | 07:41 PM
  #7  
backwoodsgoop's Avatar
backwoodsgoop
Junior User
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 90
Likes: 0
SP fluid

Mark the tranny engineer question for you? Is there a product available that Ford recognizes as suitable for this trans other than motorcraft SP
??

oh and thanks for engineering trannys that have kept me in steady work for years,
 
Reply
Old Mar 26, 2010 | 08:29 PM
  #8  
ssharber's Avatar
ssharber
Thread Starter
|
Tuned
15 Year Member
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 413
Likes: 1
From: Tennessee
After reading the forums here and talking to a friend I trust Ive decided to just change out the external filter, drain the fluid from the pan and fill her back up. Then in a few weeks I'll drain her again and fill her up. SP is $6.00 a quart here locally, so I'll be out a hundred bucks, a little more, for the fluid, but at least I'll know I did it right. I just can't trust someplace that one, doesn't even know what they charge for a service and two, doesn't even REALLY know what needs to be done. I just don't trust them after this. Not that I did before. I would have liked to have had the tranny flushed, but knowing my luck these people will put 75/140 weight in it. I'll take my chances doing it myself.
 
Reply
FTE Stories

Ford Trucks for Ford Truck Enthusiasts

story-0

This Hennessey Takes the Expedition Tremor's Off-Roading Capability to the Next Level

 Verdad Gallardo
story-1

Top 10 Fords at 2026 Carlisle Ford Nationals

 Joe Kucinski
story-2

3 Best / 3 Worst Parts of Modern Ford Ownership

 Brett Foote
story-3

10 Amazing Upgrades That Solve Common Ford Truck Owner Headaches

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-4

Every 2026 Ford Engine Explained

 Brett Foote
story-5

10 Ugly Ford Trucks That We Still Kinda Love

 Joe Kucinski
story-6

10 Things Every Truck Owner NEEDS (2026 Edition)

 Michael S. Palmer
story-7

Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalyptic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath

 Verdad Gallardo
story-8

Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

 Joe Kucinski
story-9

2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

 Brett Foote
Old Mar 26, 2010 | 08:53 PM
  #9  
ssharber's Avatar
ssharber
Thread Starter
|
Tuned
15 Year Member
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 413
Likes: 1
From: Tennessee
Ok. After getting under there, I've tried getting the quick connect fittings disconnected (pulled out of) the filter. The lines wont budge. I'm using the Ford disconnect tool, and have the workshop manual. It says I might have to take the quick connect fittings off of the filter housing to get the lines to disconnect, but so far no luck. It's like they are stuck. I've pulled and pulled. The tool, 307-459, is just a standard quick disconnect tool, which allows you to gain leverage on the line and pull it out of the fitting. But I seem to be having problems. Anyone done this before? Any advice would be appreciated.
 
Reply
Old Mar 26, 2010 | 08:53 PM
  #10  
keeper1200's Avatar
keeper1200
New User
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 20
Likes: 0
From: Kingston
Smile

[quote=ssharber;8689025]I have an early job 1 SD CC with the external filter. I have called 5 different dealerships around my area trying to find out about getting the trans flushed and the filters changed. I've been quoted $839.00 at one dealer, $209.00 at another that informed me that the filters would not have to be changed because the flushing cleans them, another dealership told me that the filters only came together in a kit when I told them I HAD the external filter already, and that it would be $380.00 if they used MY filters. [quote]

I have my tranny fluid dumped everyear (which is overkill I admit) it costs $250.00 (cdn) taxes in. The mechanic I go to suggests changing the ext filter if there has been water in the transmission or other suspected damage. Mine is not dumped it is transfused or pumped out and forced in. Some will argue this may cause loosening of debris, I have not encountered that. Either way $800.00 is way too much. Good luck
 
Reply
Old Mar 27, 2010 | 06:03 AM
  #11  
Mark Kovalsky's Avatar
Mark Kovalsky
Frmr Ford Trans Engr
25 Year Member
Liked
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 3
Joined: Aug 1999
Posts: 24,738
Likes: 2,666
From: SE Florida
Originally Posted by backwoodsgoop
Mark the tranny engineer question for you? Is there a product available that Ford recognizes as suitable for this trans other than motorcraft SP
??
Yes, there is. MERCON LV.

Originally Posted by backwoodsgoop
oh and thanks for engineering trannys that have kept me in steady work for years,
You're quite welcome!
 
Reply
Old Mar 27, 2010 | 06:20 AM
  #12  
scraprat's Avatar
scraprat
Lead Driver
20 Year Member
Community Builder
Liked
Top Answer: 5
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 8,676
Likes: 4,780
From: Itinerant
I thought the interval was 60k for trans. fluid change on the torqshift? I'll have to look at the book later.
 
Reply
Old Mar 27, 2010 | 06:57 AM
  #13  
senix's Avatar
senix
Super Moderator
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Top Answer: 1
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 37,384
Likes: 1,868
From: Frederick, MD
Club FTE Gold Member
Originally Posted by scraprat
I thought the interval was 60k for trans. fluid change on the torqshift? I'll have to look at the book later.
They switched to an larger internal filter in 08 and deleted the external which increased the interval.

My Job 3 only has the internal, build date was Mar 08.
 
Reply
Old Mar 27, 2010 | 09:19 AM
  #14  
pappy19's Avatar
pappy19
Fleet Mechanic
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 1,256
Likes: 6
From: Garden Valley, Idaho
Club FTE Gold Member
Mine is a 2008 Job 2 truck with an internal filter. However, I added an external filter from Summit that cost me $35 plus another $5 for larger size hoses and fittings. I have tried to post pictures on this site and there is no easy way to do this, so if you want to see pictures, just PM me and I will send you pictures of the install. I did a dealer tranny flush at the same time as adding the external filter and the whole ticket was less than $200. Later I also did a transfer case flush and refill and it cost me $39.

Pap
 
Reply
Old Mar 27, 2010 | 10:39 AM
  #15  
Zmann's Avatar
Zmann
Posting Guru
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 2,453
Likes: 4
From: AZ
Originally Posted by Mark Kovalsky
Yes, there is. MERCON LV.


!
How could ford disapprove of the valvoline sp rated fluid?
 
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:12 AM.

story-0
This Hennessey Takes the Expedition Tremor's Off-Roading Capability to the Next Level

Slideshow: The VelociRaptor Expedition gains a lift, upgraded suspension, Brembo brakes, and trail-ready equipment while retaining the stock 440-horsepower EcoBoost V6.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-06-12 11:01:55


VIEW MORE
story-1
Top 10 Fords at 2026 Carlisle Ford Nationals

Slideshow: Top 10 Fords at 2026 Ford Nationals

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-09 11:10:08


VIEW MORE
story-2
3 Best / 3 Worst Parts of Modern Ford Ownership

Based on years of owning multiple modern Ford products.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-09 10:53:36


VIEW MORE
story-3
10 Amazing Upgrades That Solve Common Ford Truck Owner Headaches

SPONSORED: From muddy boots to rain-soaked cargo, these upgrades address some of the most common frustrations Ford truck owners face every day.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-06-08 18:50:34


VIEW MORE
story-4
Every 2026 Ford Engine Explained

Here's everything you need to know about every Ford engine available for the 2026 model year.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-05 12:58:01


VIEW MORE
story-5
10 Ugly Ford Trucks That We Still Kinda Love

Slideshow: 10 ugly Ford trucks that we still kinda love.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-03 09:51:16


VIEW MORE
story-6
10 Things Every Truck Owner NEEDS (2026 Edition)

Slideshow: the best gifts for dads & grads

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-06-03 15:43:58


VIEW MORE
story-7
Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalyptic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath

Slideshow: Called the Fortress, the 850-horsepower pickup combines Raptor underpinnings with military-inspired features, survival equipment, and a starting price of $285,000.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-06-03 11:38:36


VIEW MORE
story-8
Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

Slideshow: 10 most expensive Ford trucks ever sold on Bring a Trailer.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 16:24:34


VIEW MORE
story-9
2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

Here's everything that has changed for the latest model year.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-27 16:17:28


VIEW MORE