Another new guy question fellas---I've heard some guys use a conditioner or two stoke oil when they fill up with fuel. Do you use something and how much do you use. And why? Thanks, Tony

 

i use diesel Kleen from wall mart, use as directed.

 

i either use diesel kleen like matt said or something called fppf or pffp, cant remember. but the truck stop sales it and my buddy that works at interntional here in town recommended it to me, its about 8 ounces and treats like 240 gallons.

 

I also use Diesel Kleen (3oz/10gal as directed).

A lot of people use 2 stroke oil, but I can't bring myself to put oil in my fuel tank.

 

I run Schaeffers Soyshield, Diesel Treat, or there Neutra cleaner. All pretty good stuff. I use Diesel Kleen sometimes but not here recently they all work better then regular diesel lol

 

I use nothing. Actually when I bought diesel motorhome 8 years ago -it had a case of diesel conditioner in it, so I am using it occasionally.
Having 4 diesels I still have few cans left after 8 years, what gives you idea how often I use it.

 

I use nothing but regular diesel. Nothing out there has anything more than anecdotal "evidence", hearsay, rumors, suppositions, etc, etc. Nothing scientific done in an accredited laboratory that uses widely accepted test procedures. Hence I label them all snake oil. I am trying 2 stroke oil next week but that is supposedly a mileage improver thing so we shall see. I needed the weather to clear up some before I tried it.

 

DIPETANE it works, it's not snake oil. Thats what i use, read what trucker mag says about it. The results in a gasoline vehicle are quicker, Diesels take about 6000 miles of use to see any results. I know this for a fact, i use it all the time.

 

Their tests were done by Claude Travis & Associates. Try doing a google on them. I did. First 100 hits and I can't find their company.

Enzyte and Extenze takes a while to see results too. They give you a free sample to prove it works.

 

i have used several different ones, but currently do not use any. Unless I get some dirty diesel, then I use diesel kleen.

I did use 2 stroke for a while, and it proved a slight mpg gain, but after much debate here on the forum, I stopped using it. It may be doing more harm than good (.5 mpg gain).

 

Thanks All for the input. I'm looking at another '03 4x4 supercab Thursday. Hopefully it will be the one!

 

Try to see if you can find fuel formula posted for the public.
Last year my diesels had pretty lousy mileage, that starting around New Year went up about 15%. Last year running on diesel I could smell fumes like running on bio in the past.
So my suspicious is, that the refiners added bio to our diesels in the past and lately changed the formula.
2-3% of bio is all the lubrication you might need, while lot of manufacturers will void warranty if you run more.

 

Really? Try out these links below and see what you find regarding uninterested third party scientific testing results regarding the science behind fuel additive technology and some generic results confirming that there are some additive chemistries which actually work! At the same time, some additive chemistries are NOT beneficial... but to know the difference you need to find technical documentation which explains the additives chemistry and specifies its generic components (ester-based, acid-based, presence of zinc, etc.)

1. Un-named additive... results from the U of Kansas Dept of Chem Engrng... Multifunctional Diesel Fuel Additives from Triglycerides - Energy & Fuels (ACS Publications)

2. The value of Ester-based additives in reducing injector deposits... http://www.infineum.com/Documents/Fu...04-01-2935.pdf

3. More ester-based additive chemistry results... 2003... ScienceDirect - Fuel : Effects of specific fatty acid methyl esters on diesel fuel lubricity


So, are these helpful in determining which off-the-shelf additive is potentially useful or not? Perhaps... if you understand organic chemistry or chemical engineering principles. The whole point is that there ARE third party organizations who are validating the effectiveness of some additive chemistries, contrary to your cries of "Wolf", or "snake oil".

There are more sutdies than these being done by a number of research labs and organizations and universities, but they are typically being sponsored by additive companies, engine manufacturers, oil companies, etc. Even if you would consider them "valid", they are not available for public access due to the proprietary nature of each company's R&D efforts. I know, I know, you'll probably just say that they're hiding those studies to avoid public scrutiny and risk revealing their "snake oil" status. Some probably are doing that, but the validity of some chemistries indicated by the studies above tell me that such an accusation is not going to always be true.




Okay... I took your Google challenge, and it took me about 5 minutes to find the address and phone number, and he apparently works out of his home since he is beyond retirement age. Look at teh document header in the link and you can see the same info yourself. I have aso searched through the Michigan Corporate License service and verified that their business license is also still in force.
http://www.myfuelpartner.com/Documen...estResults.pdf

This discovery was immediately followed by a quick call to Mr Travis' cell phone number and confirm the existence of the company and their historical testing efforts on fuel economy. I'm not saying he has tested everything correctly or in the most representative manner because I do not know that, but both he and the company DO exist as advertised.

 

Yes, I do admit those links are impressive and I will digest them at a later date. I do agree that fuel can always be improved. Whether it is practical or cost effective remains to be seen. The point I was making is that I have yet to see a company like say diesel kleen have their product tested and proved. Are there concoctions that will improve the efficiency? I'd be crazy to say there aren't. My doubt is as to whether your product that you are peddling today has been tested or whether you are leaning off somebody else and trying to imply that your product works.

Again, I agree that some might work and some don't. However, if you will not publish your results, what do you expect me to assume? That it works until I run a study to prove it doesn't? Every manufacturer has something that they have tested including Enzyte and Extenze. If I cannot see it because it is classified, what do you expect me to base a decision on?

Yes I googled and found that information myself. What I didn't even find is his company's site. That is very suspicious to me simply because I have a company that I set up to be a shell company so people trying to "cut out the middleman (me)" end up at a dead end. I too have a business license for it and it is registered with the WI Dept of Ag. Does it do real business? Nope. My other company I registered is for the ease of my father and to lead others trying to bypass him into another dead end. This company does business (selling) only with him and nobody else. It is set up for buying products for him only. So, maybe you can see why I am skeptical about such companies and think they could be simply a fly-by-night or shell company when they don't have a proper website with references. An internet poker site "Pokerstars", IIRC, also set up some agent to take their calls and answer letters for a payment department they set up for some other purposes.

I do appreciate the links though. I will look at them more closely. Thanx.

 

I understand your position and perspective completely, Aklim. I have to go through the same things myself when making decisions. When I started representing Schaeffer last fall, I got laid up with my broken ankle just as I was getting started, and that provided me with two full months of not being able to do much other than scrutinize their product literature, take my typically skeptical approach, and then search deep and wide through the internet for substantiating evidence for their claims. I became satisfied with the technologies and sciences upon which they base their claims on, have seen results in my and other people's equipment, and have kept on trucking with them, literally. Although I do now have access to some additional documentation and testing results from Schaeffer, I cannot share much of it due to confidentiality agreements with customers. I do share what I can, though.

As for the absence of an internet web page for a company, you can't make a hard judgement on that issue alone. After all, this guy is old, and if he has the credentials he appears to have, he doesn;t really need a web presence to do whatever he does right now. Similarly, although I have my filter cover segment of my business on the web, my consulting engineering services and Schaeffer oil brokering is NOT on the web, and I do not plan on putting it there at the moment. I don't need to. I also know of many other companies who are listed in yellow pages online but have no web presence. Apparently, they don't need or want to, either. At teh same time, the absence of web page resources does make it more difficult to evaluate things.