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Mar 23, 2010 | 08:17 PM

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Thistle3595

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The problem is that there is a failsafe that forces regen after a certain amount of miles...if you don't have a working filter in place at that time it stays in regen mode continuously.

This appears to be true from the experiment tried this past weekend however then why or how does a dpf/cat delete work? To get the results you strive for it seems you need a Spartan, or simular device, so is the tuner the trick and not the dpf/cat delete? Now I'm just about back to being confused.

Mar 23, 2010 | 08:57 PM

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StanleyZ

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The DPF delete only works when there is a computer program in to fool the computer into thinking the DPF regen is working. a while back there was a DPF delete on Ebay that left the truck stock but had a plug and play program to trick the computer. Then, it disappeared quickly. Probably got some help from the feds. Or their own lawyer. Don't forget, removing the DPF and or CAT violates the federal and some state statutes. The way the big guys are getting by without any fed intervention is by getting the consumer to sign a waiver saying the truck is going to be used for off road. I suspect that will have a limited life span so if you want one better get it. With what this current administration is doing it's just a matter of time until they crack down on what is an obvious sham on the part of seller and buyer. If you read the federal statute it says the Justice department is responsible for enforcement. Now they're not gonna come to my house and check my truck but I think they would go after these companys that are selling the stuff to violate the statute.

Mar 23, 2010 | 09:17 PM

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as a dealer tech we have our ways, there codes from time to time with certin programers, there some pid data we can look at as well. it just depends on how hard we want to look.

Mar 24, 2010 | 04:37 PM

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kylebryan

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you know I hear that about these programmers being undetectable but I just don't believe it. It's a computer and has to have a hard drive of some sort which will retain historical data at least until the program space is needed. Besides, I just feel sure that Ford has programmers smart enough to think about performance chips when the computer was designed. Now, the tech at the local dealership may not have the tools to retrieve the data but I'm just betting someone does. I could be wrong, but I'm just saying!!!!

I can understand your skepticism but its true. The spartan completely backs up the stock computer and saves it on a memory card. Then when you want to return to stock it wipes the stock computer of all traces and reloads the stock tune, plain and simple its undetectable for that simple reason. Once it loads the stock file its like the tuner was never there. The only thing it leaves behind is a code that says that the OBDII port was accessed and then you just tell em you went to auto zone and had the codes scanned. Its an expensive tuner but its worth every dime i spent on it. Most people just dont want to spend the money so they bash em. Everyone feel free to PM me if you want more info on my personal experience with spartan tuners.

Mar 24, 2010 | 04:46 PM

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Also remember that man made that computer and man can crack it. Im a computer tech by profession and it never ceases to amaze me how easily new security measures are broken. Just a thought....

Mar 24, 2010 | 05:02 PM

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StanleyZ

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Well OK. I'm sure you know that of your personal knowledge and computer skills and not from someone connected to spartan. I have very mixed emotions on the subject. The part of me that hates that the feds have done what they have to the automobile industry tells me to support what you are doing. However, the part of me that grew up in the fifties and was taught right from wrong by Roy Rogers dislikes the fact that you are planing on cheating FMC if something goes wrong. Then there is the part of me that knows that anyone who chips a truck, blows it up and then successfully erases the tunes and gets warranty repairs is costing me money on my next truck, I'm not sure yet how I feel about that but I think I would be likely to laugh my *** off at anyone who got caught and wanted sympathy.

Mar 24, 2010 | 06:45 PM

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Well its going to happen regardless of how you feel about it. So if you cant beat em join em! You know as well as i do that even if FOMOCO made a perfect truck that never had any issues the price would still go up every year. Just kinda feel like youre overthinking this spartan tuner issue. They make a great product and If you want better mileage and a ton more horsepower you should look their way.

Mar 24, 2010 | 07:10 PM

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StanleyZ

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Well, I'm a big Cheesit fan. I think he knows what he's talking about. Can't spell for chit but I think he knows what he's doing and if stock is good enough for him it's good enough for me. I didn't chip my 7.3 and got 160,000 great miles and sold it for more than half what I paid new. Besides I only use mine to tow so I don't do much drag racing with it. The only reason for me to delete the DPF would be to increase fuel mileage and I don't think I can increase it enough to pay for voiding the warranty. If diesel goes back to 5 bucks that may change. If I deleted and chiped it though I would put the stuff on there for good and take responsibility for it. But that's just me and I'm not knocking anyone for doing it your way. Plus, I still think a good computer guy could find evidence of the program.

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Mar 24, 2010 | 07:25 PM

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kylebryan

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Spartan has never been proven to break a truck. IF my spartan tuner or removing the DPF ever truly caused an issue then i would own up and take the hit. Untill then ill let FOMOCO pay for it.