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Old Feb 1, 2010 | 10:15 PM
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They must have gone to it since you rented yours.

I'm not sure if they all have it but it is an option.

I have only used that one and it had them.
 
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Old Feb 2, 2010 | 05:54 AM
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Hey I just did a quick figure and between gas/tolls/food/wear & tear/sleep over/time off work and etc. You might want to look it to a car hauling service given the times they might just end up cheaper plus insured and no worries "Am I overweight or will I make this hill or Oh S#$% What was that". You might have to wait a week or two to get delivery but it will get done. I have used them when my son was in the service, he was in CA and his Jeep was here in MD, it was $750 to the coast. Just another idea. Chris
 
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Old Feb 2, 2010 | 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by montecarlo31
I'd do it in a heart beat. There are some ding dongs on this forum.

1. Insurance company WILL not refuse to pay if you are over the Gross Combined Weight. They insure you for stupidity. They pay out when people kill or injure others drinking and driving or speeding etc. It's not that easy for an insurance company to deny a claim.


2. Your frame will be fine, it won't bend towing that small amount of weight. There will be no "unseen" damage. Your GCWR is only for fords "warranty" it has NO legal binding info on. the DOT only cares about what you are tagged for and what your axle weight is.

3. Take it easy, if your worried keep it under 65 and enjoy the ride.
Originally Posted by phillips91
The manufacturers recommendation for GCWR is just that, a recommendation. Ford may recommend him stay under 11,100 gcwr but there is nothing legal about that number at all. As long as he doesn't exceed his GAWR or GVWR then he can legally tow whatever he wants to.
Originally Posted by bill11012
As long as the trailer can take it and you have good trailer brakes ( on all 4 wheels) and a WD hitch you will be fine. The 4.6s are vary hard to kill motors.

You won't bend the frame, I have seen an F150 with 60 bags of cement in the back with the frame still ok.

GCWR is not a legal limit you have to stay under, at least in Tx. your truck is fine, but what is the GVWR on you trailer?
Obviously Ford's recommendation doesn't mean anything and my opinion is incorrect.

For his truck (cab, wheelbase, drivetrain, and motor), what are the REAL maximums (the legal maximum and 'what the truck can really handle' maximum) and where is it published? Please disregard the rims and tires and assume the trailer has some sort of braking system (electric or surge).

If possible, please explain your answer/opinion.

I'd also like to know the maximums for my 2009, 5.4, 4x4, 3.73 LS, 157" WB, S. Crew, with max tow package and trailer brake controller. Again, please disregard the rims and tires and assume the trailer has some sort of braking system (electric or surge).

Thanks.
 
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Old Feb 2, 2010 | 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by shotgunz
Obviously Ford's recommendation doesn't mean anything and my opinion is incorrect.

For his truck (cab, wheelbase, drivetrain, and motor), what are the REAL maximums (the legal maximum and 'what the truck can really handle' maximum) and where is it published? Please disregard the rims and tires and assume the trailer has some sort of braking system (electric or surge).

If possible, please explain your answer/opinion.
Take one of my trucks for example. It's a 2000 f250 with a 5.4, 4.10 gears and 5 speed manual. Ford gave it a 15k recommended gcw. The v10 for the same year, same set up, etc, came with a 20k recommended gcw. It is the exact same truck, same brakes, same frame, same tranny, same everything except engine. Both have an 8800 lb gvwr(legal number stamped on the door sticker) and both are going to weigh the same(around 5,500 lbs). That means they have a 3300 lb payload(still within the rawr, which is a legal number and stamped on the door sticker). Using a 25% pin weight they can both tow a 13,200 lb gooseneck(gcw of 18,700 lbs) and be legal and just as safe as the other one. Mine will be over the recommended weight from ford and the v10 will be under becaue the v10 will have an easier time with the load.

So my thoughts are that he has the same truck as the 150's with a higher rating, so he is not risking any damage to his truck(or safety issues). The gcwr from ford is a recommendation and not a legal number, so he is not in any danger of being illegally overloaded. If he takes it easy and doesn't run the dog crap out of it up and down the hills, then he really isn't going to stress his engine. My 5.4 has handled the weight that I mentioned above and has had no durability issues, so his 4.6 should be able to handle half of that weight and be fine.
 
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Old Feb 2, 2010 | 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by bill11012
U haul tow dollys have surge brakes, but I have used both tow dolly and trailer and would much rather use the trailer.
Now a days only the Auto Transports and 6x12 Open and Enclosed trailers have surge brakes.

Also to add my two cents rent a 14 foot box truck its rated for 10,000 lbs and the GVWR is about 14K so it would perfectly legal in any respect. The only problem I can for see is if you trailer has electric brakes as the truck is not wired to have one.

~Hybris The U-Haul Man~
 
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Old Feb 2, 2010 | 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Hybris
Now a days only the Auto Transports and 6x12 Open and Enclosed trailers have surge brakes.

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So it was just the one that I rented?
 
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Old Feb 3, 2010 | 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by bill11012
So it was just the one that I rented?
Likely it was one of the very old trailers nearing retirement, rarely you can find these older trailers in less traveled parts of the US and Canada at mom and pop businesses that use our dealer program.
 
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