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towing question
Hey guys. I need to tow a 2005 landrover LR3 HSE from alabama to Philly. I have a three month old 2010 f150 s-cab STX 4x4 with a 4.6 2 valve (darn it) and the towing pacgae/payload package and 3.73 limited slip. Ford says I'm only good to 5500 lbs on the website. The Land rover weighs a ghastly 5800 lbs and my trailer is about 2300 lbs. Total 8056 lbs. my trailer has electric brakes and I have the factory TBC added. I have about 11K on the truck, but she's my baby. If you were me would you pull it? Its about 900 miles one way and it gets hilly in TN and VA. I am very experience towing, I just want to protect my new truck.
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I wouldn't pull it.
You are WAY over the max trailer weight, going a long way, in the dead of winter. Even if the engine survived, what unseen damage would you do to the frame and engine?
If you're involved in an accident (even if it's not your fault), what will the insurance companies do? Refuse to pay?
Not to mention you could get a ticket...
You are WAY over the max trailer weight, going a long way, in the dead of winter. Even if the engine survived, what unseen damage would you do to the frame and engine?
If you're involved in an accident (even if it's not your fault), what will the insurance companies do? Refuse to pay?
Not to mention you could get a ticket...
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Hey guys. I need to tow a 2005 landrover LR3 HSE from alabama to Philly. I have a three month old 2010 f150 s-cab STX 4x4 with a 4.6 2 valve (darn it) and the towing pacgae/payload package and 3.73 limited slip. Ford says I'm only good to 5500 lbs on the website. The Land rover weighs a ghastly 5800 lbs and my trailer is about 2300 lbs. Total 8056 lbs. my trailer has electric brakes and I have the factory TBC added. I have about 11K on the truck, but she's my baby. If you were me would you pull it? Its about 900 miles one way and it gets hilly in TN and VA. I am very experience towing, I just want to protect my new truck.
I had to make a one time trip with a mazda b2000(2.0 4 cyl with ~100 hp) pulling a 6k lb camper from Florida to Tennessee and it had over 100k miles on it. I put another 100k miles on it after the trip, so I see no reason why yours wouldn't hold up either.
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I wouldn't recommend towing that kind of weight regularly with it, but for a one time trip you should be fine. You have the same frame as the f150 with the 5.4 that is rated to tow that much, so you aren't going to damage your frame. Your truck has a payload of 1,400 lbs and your trailer is only going to have a tongue weight of about 900 lbs, so you aren't going to exceed any legal limits with it as far as GVWR or GAWR (so no worries on being overloaded in an accident or getting a ticket). Your engine will not like it at all on the hills and you will probably see some 30 mph climbs in 2nd gear, but just let the gearing do its job and take your time.
I had to make a one time trip with a mazda b2000(2.0 4 cyl with ~100 hp) pulling a 6k lb camper from Florida to Tennessee and it had over 100k miles on it. I put another 100k miles on it after the trip, so I see no reason why yours wouldn't hold up either.
I had to make a one time trip with a mazda b2000(2.0 4 cyl with ~100 hp) pulling a 6k lb camper from Florida to Tennessee and it had over 100k miles on it. I put another 100k miles on it after the trip, so I see no reason why yours wouldn't hold up either.
I disagree and I can't believe you would advocate exceeding the vehicle manufacturer's rating (Safety Compliance Certification Label) on a public highway.
His GCWR (Gross Combined Weight Rating: maximum allowable weight of the vehicle and the loaded trailer – including all cargo and passengers) = 11,100 lbs
Per his post, trailer and trailer cargo weighs 8,056 lbs. Unless his truck and all cargo weighs less than 3,044 lbs, he will exceed the GCWR.
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As long as the trailer can take it and you have good trailer brakes ( on all 4 wheels) and a WD hitch you will be fine. The 4.6s are vary hard to kill motors.
You won't bend the frame,
I have seen an F150 with 60 bags of cement in the back with the frame still ok.
GCWR is not a legal limit you have to stay under, at least in Tx. your truck is fine, but what is the GVWR on you trailer?
You won't bend the frame,
I have seen an F150 with 60 bags of cement in the back with the frame still ok.GCWR is not a legal limit you have to stay under, at least in Tx. your truck is fine, but what is the GVWR on you trailer?
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I disagree and I can't believe you would advocate exceeding the vehicle manufacturer's rating (Safety Compliance Certification Label) on a public highway.
His GCWR (Gross Combined Weight Rating: maximum allowable weight of the vehicle and the loaded trailer – including all cargo and passengers) = 11,100 lbs
Per his post, trailer and trailer cargo weighs 8,056 lbs. Unless his truck and all cargo weighs less than 3,044 lbs, he will exceed the GCWR.
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It's not just TX, it's nation wide. So you are correct here, too.
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I think the only thing I'd worry about is the transmission. As mentioned before, the frame is going to be fine. Load your trailer properly, make sure the brakes are functioning, check the lights, and go for it. Just make sure the transmission temps stay in check when you get into the hills and it starts downshifting a lot.
Don't be afraid to let the engine rev, either. 3,500rpm for 20 minutes straight isn't going to harm the engine one bit.
Don't be afraid to let the engine rev, either. 3,500rpm for 20 minutes straight isn't going to harm the engine one bit.
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You by any chance coming through the Kingsport/Johnson City/Bristol area? If you do, there are a few of us from that area that would be more than happy to hook you up with some good places to eat, closest rest areas, hotels or give you a place to get out and stretch your legs and check your trailer.
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If you are really worried about it, then rent from Uhaul a car dolly now you are a few pounds over. Hook it up and down the road you go Plus you don't have to pull it to the pick up point. Chris
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I'd do it in a heart beat. There are some ding dongs
on this forum.
1. Insurance company WILL not refuse to pay if you are over the Gross Combined Weight. They insure you for stupidity. They pay out when people kill or injure others drinking and driving or speeding etc. It's not that easy for an insurance company to deny a claim.
2. Your frame will be fine, it won't bend towing that small amount of weight. There will be no "unseen" damage. Your GCWR is only for fords "warranty" it has NO legal binding info on. the DOT only cares about what you are tagged for and what your axle weight is.
3. Take it easy, if your worried keep it under 65 and enjoy the ride.
on this forum. 1. Insurance company WILL not refuse to pay if you are over the Gross Combined Weight. They insure you for stupidity. They pay out when people kill or injure others drinking and driving or speeding etc. It's not that easy for an insurance company to deny a claim.
2. Your frame will be fine, it won't bend towing that small amount of weight. There will be no "unseen" damage. Your GCWR is only for fords "warranty" it has NO legal binding info on. the DOT only cares about what you are tagged for and what your axle weight is.
3. Take it easy, if your worried keep it under 65 and enjoy the ride.
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One thing to remember, lock it out of top gear. If it seems to be straining, lock it out of
5th. reving the 4.6 will not hurt it, lugging it is much worse.
Plus the less the trany shifts up, then back down on the next hill the cooler it will stay.
5th. reving the 4.6 will not hurt it, lugging it is much worse.
Plus the less the trany shifts up, then back down on the next hill the cooler it will stay.
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I'd be more inclined to tow it on a trailer than I would a dolly. At least with the trailer, you'll have (or should have) trailer brakes. With the dolly, you're going to be relying on the truck's brakes alone to stop the load. I towed an '88 Fiero on a dolly behind a '98 Ranger Supercab 4x4 years ago for about 350 miles.....never again.
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U haul tow dollys have surge brakes, but I have used both tow dolly and trailer and would much rather use the trailer.
If the trailer is set up properly you will have double the braking and more control.
If the trailer is set up properly you will have double the braking and more control.
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That's good to know Bill because the U-haul dolly I used didn't have anything as far as brakes were concerned. That was in '98 so maybe they have changed them or maybe the one I used had brakes but they just didn't work.