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Old Jan 26, 2010 | 08:14 AM
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Fuel pressure question

I have a 96 F150, 302, 2WD, E4OD. I am having an issue with it stalling/hesitating. I have read hundreds of threads on here to try and figure this out. I checked the pressure at the rail and the front tank read 32psi for a few minutes and then would drop to 10psi. the rear tank read 4psi. I ordered a new front pump and when it arrived, it's a rear pump. I figured I'd go ahead and change it since I thought the old one was bad anyway instead of returning it. Well, the pressure at the rail is no different. I took the regulator vacuum line off and there was no gas or gas smell. I took the regulator itself off and put a vacuum tester on it and it held 40psi steady. It has a new fuel filter on it as well as plugs, cap, rotor and wires. I haven't checked yet to see if any of the fuel lines are kinked but I was wondering if it may indeed be the regulator even though it appears to be okay. Any help will be appreciated.
 
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Old Jan 26, 2010 | 09:47 AM
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I would not think it would be the regulator.
Check the fuel pressure with it running, at idle it should be 32-34 PSI and at WOT it should be about 40 PSI.
With it idling pull the vacuum hose off the Fuel pressure regulator and put your finger over the hole in the hose. The pressure should go to about 45 PSI with no fuel coming out of the nipple of the regulator.

If all the pressures checks out take it an auto parts store and have the pull your codes and see if they tell you anything.
 
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Old Jan 26, 2010 | 10:13 AM
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I will try checking the pressure with the vacuum hose off. I did put my finger on the nipple and it seemed to have strong vacuum when I checked it with the engine running. Also, I do have a code reader for the truck and I rechecked this morning and there were no codes. Sorry for not posting that piece of inof earlier.

Thanks for your help, but I am stumped!
 
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Old Jan 26, 2010 | 10:24 AM
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I will try checking the pressure with the vacuum hose off. I did put my finger on the nipple and it seemed to have strong vacuum when I checked it with the engine running. Also, I do have a code reader for the truck and I rechecked this morning and there were no codes. Sorry for not posting that piece of inof earlier.

Thanks for your help, but I am stumped!
How do you check for codes with no code reader with an OBD II truck?
 
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Old Jan 26, 2010 | 10:52 AM
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I do have an OBDII code reader.
 
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Old Jan 26, 2010 | 10:52 AM
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I think you misread that bill.. it appears he does have a code reader.

Since changing the pump made no difference here I suggest you check power at the pump connector, if it's anything less than 12v you have an electrical problem.
 
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Old Jan 26, 2010 | 10:59 AM
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I think you misread that bill.. it appears he does have a code reader.

Since changing the pump made no difference here I suggest you check power at the pump connector, if it's anything less than 12v you have an electrical problem.
Do I disconnect the pigtail for the rear tank with the key on and the switch on the rear to check it? It may be a stupid question, but I have never checked a fuel pump for power. They've always worked, or have been mechanical!
 
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Old Jan 26, 2010 | 11:04 AM
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Yes that will work but the pump only runs for a second if the engine isn't started so you'll have to be quick. On the OBD-1 trucks you can install a jumper on the test connector to make the pump run constantly.. not sure if there is something similar on the OBD-2 system.
 
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Old Jan 26, 2010 | 12:11 PM
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I thought I read he did not have a reader.

No the OBD II trucks do not have a pin to ground to turn on the pumps.
But I have heard that some of the scanners can turn them on but have not worked much with the OBD II system.
 
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Old Jan 26, 2010 | 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by subford
I thought I read he did not have a reader.

No the OBD II trucks do not have a pin to ground to turn on the pumps.
But I have heard that some of the scanners can turn them on but have not worked much with the OBD II system.
I don't think my code reader has the capability to do that. $20 at a pawn shop! Anyway, I'm just trying to avoid taking in to the shop if I can do it myself.

Thanks for all the help, it give me another strating point and if any of you think of anything else, please let me know.
 
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Old Jan 26, 2010 | 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by kaduh
I don't think my code reader has the capability to do that. $20 at a pawn shop! Anyway, I'm just trying to avoid taking in to the shop if I can do it myself.

Thanks for all the help, it give me another strating point and if any of you think of anything else, please let me know.
You could get a spare fuel pump relay, cut the top off and wire tie it in the make position (energized) and plug it in. The fuel pumps will run and you should have 45 PSI fuel pressure at the fuel rail. You will also have a code to read then but just clear it when you are done with your tests.
If you have the fuel pressure then you will not have to check for power to the pumps.
 
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Old Jan 26, 2010 | 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by subford
You could get a spare fuel pump relay, cut the top off and wire tie it in the make position (energized) and plug it in. Then when you turn on the key the fuel pumps will run and you should have 45 PSI fuel pressure at the fuel rail. You will also have a code to read then but just clear it when you are done with your tests.
If you have the fuel pressure then you will not have to check for power to the pumps.
I'm a little confused on this. I understand the process, but is this done to check if the relay is good? If I don't get pressure, does this mean the relay is bad, or am I just not getting the 12V to the pump.

Once again, thanks for your help on this.
 
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Old Jan 26, 2010 | 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by kaduh
I'm a little confused on this. I understand the process, but is this done to check if the relay is good?
No

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If I don't get pressure, does this mean the relay is bad, or am I just not getting the 12V to the pump.
If you don't get pressure you can start tracing the wiring to see where the problem is. The above test relay just completes the circuit from the fuel pump fuse wiring to the Inertia switch wiring.
By the way when this relay is in the selected pump will run all the time the relay is in with the key on or off.



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Old Jan 26, 2010 | 02:34 PM
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Thanks Subford, that makes sense to me now. I'll try it tonight since I have a donor relay I can cut up. This may be a another stupid question, but the fuel will just circulate back into the tank barring any clogs in the system if it has pressure, right?
 
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Old Jan 26, 2010 | 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by kaduh
Thanks Subford, that makes sense to me now. I'll try it tonight since I have a donor relay I can cut up. This may be a another stupid question, but the fuel will just circulate back into the tank barring any clogs in the system if it has pressure, right?
That is right.



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