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It does not try at all it just cranks and cranks.
I know a little about fire shooting out the carb myself... Dont ask me either! lol
The spark is a red color. I'm starting to think that its the feedback to the coil during "Start" thats the problem more and more.
I know a little about fire shooting out the carb myself... Dont ask me either! lol
The spark is a red color. I'm starting to think that its the feedback to the coil during "Start" thats the problem more and more.
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I'll probably just replace the coil for 20 bones anyway for the peace of mind and try the wire to the positive mentioned above as well.
The frustrating thing is that I have had this engine running before with this same equipment on it!
The frustrating thing is that I have had this engine running before with this same equipment on it!
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Yeap I have made good old hillbilly fireworks a few times over the years. : ) Just glad I never done damage doing it. Did burn a bunch of paint off the inside of the hood on my old 76 with a 390. Forgot what way the rotor turned and got it backwards. Opps LOL
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I replaced the coil and ran a wire from the battery side of the solenoid to the + of the coil and it does the same thing...
I will put the thing at TDC and check the rotor right now. Stupid that I didnt check that first!
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I will put the thing at TDC and check the rotor right now. Stupid that I didnt check that first!
Thanks
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Somedays the thing right in front of us is just over looked. 
What control unit are you using? the original one on the truck or the one from the donor truck? Im just tring to recall the older set up as when I had my 86 I just dropped a after market set up in there. All Mallory ( distributor and coil ) to keep things simple.
What control unit are you using? the original one on the truck or the one from the donor truck? Im just tring to recall the older set up as when I had my 86 I just dropped a after market set up in there. All Mallory ( distributor and coil ) to keep things simple.
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I checked the Rotor and when the timing marks were lined up the rotor didnt point to the number one on the distributor cap... It pointed at 4. I re-wired it so that the previous number 4 is now number 1 and it still wont start.
I still have not put the timing cover back on. With that off will that stop the engine from starting?
I still have not put the timing cover back on. With that off will that stop the engine from starting?
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What happened between now and then is that I removed it from its old truck and put into my old truck... I have NO idea why its acting the way it is. Thats why I assumed it was a wiring problem because the only thing that could have changed is the wiring.
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So just to simplify, it was running before you took it out, and you did nothing to it? Was it plug and play? Did the old engine in this truck run? Both pumps are electric? Do you hear them energizing when you turn the key to on (not start)?
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Neither truck or engine had electric fuel pumps they are and were both mechanical.
Yes it was plug and play all the wiring lined up correctly. Yes the old engine ran but I couldn't get the water out of the oil so I put in this engine because I had it around.
I had this 302 running for a short while in the other truck just to make sure that it still ran pulled it and let it sit in my garage for a couple weeks then put it into the current truck its in right now after cleaning the crap out of it and painting it/the engine bay.
Pics to follow if i ever get the darn thing to run!
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Yes it was plug and play all the wiring lined up correctly. Yes the old engine ran but I couldn't get the water out of the oil so I put in this engine because I had it around.
I had this 302 running for a short while in the other truck just to make sure that it still ran pulled it and let it sit in my garage for a couple weeks then put it into the current truck its in right now after cleaning the crap out of it and painting it/the engine bay.
Pics to follow if i ever get the darn thing to run!
Thanks
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So, you confirmed you have fuel coming out of the carb? HAve you tried starting fluid? I would not change too many things since it already ran...
Now I am a Chevy guy, but Ford is really growing on me. I say that because I almost forgot the cylinder numbering. Confirming you took #1 as passenger side front? You also numbered them 1-4 on the passenger bank and 5-8 on the driver's side?
Now I am a Chevy guy, but Ford is really growing on me. I say that because I almost forgot the cylinder numbering. Confirming you took #1 as passenger side front? You also numbered them 1-4 on the passenger bank and 5-8 on the driver's side?
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Yes I have fuel coming out of the carb and I have used starter fluid. Yes I number 1-4 going towards the rear on the passenger side and 5-8 going towards the rear on the drivers side.
I've always been a ford guy and I have the hat to prove it!
I've always been a ford guy and I have the hat to prove it!
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Take pics of the ignition module & distributor.
And the timing cover ...and put the plug wires back where they were when it ran.
Check for spark at #1 cylinder (passenger side closest to the rad)
If you have spark stick your thumb in the #1 plug hole and crank till you feel compression. Turn the crank so the piston is at the top and look at the timing marks on the balancer to confirm TDC
Then remove the distributor cap and see where it is pointing.
When you installed the motor the timing wouldnt change and I dont understand why you suspect the chain jumped during the install.
If it ran in the old truck and you didnt take the distro out it should be right.
If you are using the ignition module from your truck and the distributor from the newer truck they might not be compatable.
Dont use starter fluid.....use gas. It will fire on gas if you have spark at the right time.
And the timing cover ...and put the plug wires back where they were when it ran.
Check for spark at #1 cylinder (passenger side closest to the rad)
If you have spark stick your thumb in the #1 plug hole and crank till you feel compression. Turn the crank so the piston is at the top and look at the timing marks on the balancer to confirm TDC
Then remove the distributor cap and see where it is pointing.
When you installed the motor the timing wouldnt change and I dont understand why you suspect the chain jumped during the install.
If it ran in the old truck and you didnt take the distro out it should be right.
If you are using the ignition module from your truck and the distributor from the newer truck they might not be compatable.
Dont use starter fluid.....use gas. It will fire on gas if you have spark at the right time.