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Here in Kansas City, no one uses #1D mixed with #2D, they just add in an additive when the temps get cold enough.
#1D costs more and has a lower BTU rating... so mileage is reduced and it costs more to produce... so many or none do not use.
As well, #1D has less lubricity if I remember correctly as it is very close to jet fuel and kerosene??
Around here, stations either have the refiner add in an anti-gel additive when needed, or I have seen delivery drivers add it into the in-ground tank prior to fill-up and then fill up the stations in-ground tanks.
This way, they can still use #2D fuel, deliver it to all stations, it costs less and only has to add the additive when the temps will below a certain level for an extended period of time.
The key is to always add your own anti-gel, in case not enough was used, it was not mixed completely or you fill up (for example) in Kansas City and they don't use it but you drive to Iowa or Minnesota where it may be needed... so why risk it... just add it your self and never worry (my plan of action at least).
#1D costs more and has a lower BTU rating... so mileage is reduced and it costs more to produce... so many or none do not use.
As well, #1D has less lubricity if I remember correctly as it is very close to jet fuel and kerosene??
Around here, stations either have the refiner add in an anti-gel additive when needed, or I have seen delivery drivers add it into the in-ground tank prior to fill-up and then fill up the stations in-ground tanks.
This way, they can still use #2D fuel, deliver it to all stations, it costs less and only has to add the additive when the temps will below a certain level for an extended period of time.
The key is to always add your own anti-gel, in case not enough was used, it was not mixed completely or you fill up (for example) in Kansas City and they don't use it but you drive to Iowa or Minnesota where it may be needed... so why risk it... just add it your self and never worry (my plan of action at least).
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i guess up here in Canada the fuel dealers take the issue more seriously, prob cuz our cold snap is generally from Oct 30 to April 30. in 20 plus years of running diesels down the road i never gelled a filter. the guys that do have probs are the guys coming from down south that fuel way down south and head up. if they wait til closer to the US/Canada border they almost never have problems
Conversely, if you top up with gasoline anywhere north of South Carolina, and drive south in winter, you are likely to vapor lock real bad...
A lot of butane is added up north... but down south.... not so much.
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From: Plano TX and Brentwood TN
I can't vouch for all of north of South Carolina, but I do know that's not the case in North Carolina. As I go thru there quite frequently(some on here can guess one possible reason for that and there is another reason as well that some may not get; in fact, I'll be there in Jan. for a show) and then I'm back down either in TX, TN or somewhere in between, but usually in that region.
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From: valley view pa
well this is the first year i decided to use an addative... after all the posts i read on here i figured what could it hurt!! i went to wallyworld got the white bottle of DK as it was snowing out and we had about 3 inches already. I put it in filled the tank went home (about 15 miles) and let it sit over night. Next morning it was 30* out and when i strarted it it made all sorts of sounds and shook like crazy for about 20 seconds 
after that it smoothed out and i ran it about 1:15 to work. when i started it to come home it fired right up and has run like a top ever since!!!! I am guessing i just cleaned out some junk in there!!
what do you guys think??? my next step it the variable high idle. i have read posts on how to, sounds easy enough and well worth it to me!!! plus with a few beers and my neighbor we should be done in about 2 6 packs
well the work will be done much sooner but hey it's always good drinking weather 
after that it smoothed out and i ran it about 1:15 to work. when i started it to come home it fired right up and has run like a top ever since!!!! I am guessing i just cleaned out some junk in there!! what do you guys think??? my next step it the variable high idle. i have read posts on how to, sounds easy enough and well worth it to me!!! plus with a few beers and my neighbor we should be done in about 2 6 packs
well the work will be done much sooner but hey it's always good drinking weather
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From: bend,or
I just run a quality treat all year, one that contains anti-gel , lubricity , and cetane boost The research I have done and people I talk to both suggest a good additive is important to the life of the injectors and other engine components as well.Not to mention problems from gelled fuel during winter months.
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From: Central IL
I just run a quality treat all year, one that contains anti-gel , lubricity , and cetane boost The research I have done and people I talk to both suggest a good additive is important to the life of the injectors and other engine components as well.Not to mention problems from gelled fuel during winter months.
. If that was all the colder it got and would think I am in the tropics.
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From: Plano TX and Brentwood TN
Not poking fun here but I see guys from TX and TN posting about how they treat or not treat their fuel and have cold temps and never any probs. Cold in TX or TN? It was 18 as a high here central IL yesterday! I treat year round. Gray in warm and white when cold. And 30f is not cold where I come from . If that was all the colder it got and would think I am in the tropics.
. If that was all the colder it got and would think I am in the tropics.
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-8C overnight here, cold soak.
Started fine with white smoke coming out... a tad of blue (rings worn?).
About 3 to 5 seconds cranking after 60 second glo plug cycle.
No anti-gel.
Started fine with white smoke coming out... a tad of blue (rings worn?).
About 3 to 5 seconds cranking after 60 second glo plug cycle.
No anti-gel.
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