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Old Nov 15, 2009 | 11:56 AM
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The 77 block Issue

So I ran the casting numbers on the side of my engine and its a 77 truck engine block but whats interesting is that I am unsure where it was cast. Supposedly on the top of the block near the oil pressure sending unit there is markings to denote this. You can see an image of it here. The MCC stands for the Michigan foundry.

So the issue is that on my block instead of the Michigan stamp there is a number 23 and where the 15 is in this image there is a symbol that I cant make out. I am starting to wonder what the Cleveland foundry stamp looks like. The reason for concern is that 77 blocks cast in the Michigan foundry had cracking problems in the water jacket until March of 1977.
 
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Old Nov 15, 2009 | 11:59 AM
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This is where I got the image from. Rumors & Myths

unfortunately he didn't have an image of a Cleveland foundry stamp.
 
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Old Nov 15, 2009 | 02:09 PM
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How about posting a pic of yours? It'll make things a lot easier.
 
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Old Nov 15, 2009 | 02:23 PM
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6E27 = Block cast May (E) 27, 1976 (6).
 
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Old Nov 15, 2009 | 02:57 PM
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Casting marks on this page:

Ford 385 Series Block Summit

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Old Nov 15, 2009 | 03:08 PM
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I took a picture of it but they were a bit blurry. What I can tell from the cast it looks like it has the MCC on it but its where the 15 is on the image above and the tag number starts with 8H?1 There is a blank between the H and 1. The number on the side of the block is D7TE-A2B.
 
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Old Nov 15, 2009 | 04:01 PM
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The MCC seen in the photo does mean Michigan Casting Center. 351M/400 blocks cast before March 2, 1977 at MCC are susceptible to cracking around the water jackets in the lifter valley. I'm getting this information from Tom Monroe's book.
 
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Old Nov 15, 2009 | 05:05 PM
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I think what this means is that the Engine part number is a 1977 style block for a truck and the cast number says it was cast August 1, 1978 which means its ok because its after March 1977. They must have used the 77 mold for the 1978 models which could make sense. The trucks Vin says that it was completed September of 1978 which would make it a late 78 Lariat. I just finished replacing a cracked head on it that was coded as 1975 and what was interesting was the head gasket had a 1974 part number on it.
 
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Old Nov 15, 2009 | 05:21 PM
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speaking of issues..

Why is there a GMC ad on a ford truck enthusiasts site?

 
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Your block isn't from August '78, it's from May '76 as Bill has decoded for you.

As for the ads, they're random ads. Congratulations, you're the one millionth person to ask about this.
 
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Old Nov 15, 2009 | 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by fmc400
Your block isn't from August '78, it's from May '76 as Bill has decoded for you.
That isn't a picture of HIS engine, but a picture he found on the internet that matches what he is trying to say.

This is HIS partial date code: 8H?1

So, August something of 1978

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Old Nov 15, 2009 | 11:25 PM
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Ahhhh....that makes sense now. Sounds like it's in the clear then.
 
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Old Nov 16, 2009 | 01:17 AM
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D7TE-AB, AB1, AB2: These casting numbers apply to 1977/79 351M/400 bare blocks.

Since all these blocks were originally cast as 351M's, measuring the stroke will tell if it's a 351M (3.50" stroke) or 400 (4.00" stroke).

Originally Posted by virgojeep
...what was interesting was the head gasket has a 1974 part number on it.
As it should....

D4AZ6051A .. Head Gasket

Fits: 1970/74 351C 2V / 1971/82 400 / 1975/82 351M.

D4AZ6051A replaced: D3AZ6051A & DOAZ6051A.

FTE is owned by Internet Brands, who owns over 90 websites. So...the same ads will be on all these sites which includes: CorvetteForum, WikiTravel, 3FatChicks, CarsDirect, etc., etc., etc.
 
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Old Nov 16, 2009 | 02:44 AM
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So what your sayin Bill is that the Gasket is probably original or an OEM part and not an after market gasket, right? I was curious about it because my heads had D5 codes on them and I wanted to know if the engine was a mutt or if it had matching parts.
 
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Old Nov 16, 2009 | 03:07 AM
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Originally Posted by virgojeep
So what your sayin Bill is that the Gasket is probably original or an OEM part and not an after market gasket, right?
Genuine Ford part.

I was curious about it because my heads had D5 codes on them and I wanted to know if the engine was a mutt or if it had matching parts.
The D4 head gasket replaced the other two previous gaskets, so it could be found on 1970/74 351C 2V's, 1971/82 400's or 1975/82 351M's.

The D5(AZ6049B) head was another updated Ford part number, replaced D1AZ6049D.

Original application was: 1975/82 351M's, 1975/82 400's, but since it's an updated part number, it could also be found on 1970/74 351C 2V's and 1971/74 400's.

Ford is in-famous for updating 10's of 1000's of part numbers every year. Keeping track of all these replaced part numbers is/was a PITA!
 
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