Freakin Possesed
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From: Schweinfurt Germany
Freakin Possesed
Ok so a few of those people who helped me about a week ago may remember the problems I was having with my 73' f100 with a 390. SO for the last few days I have been having problems again. same damn symptoms with a new one to boot. SO a background for those new to my provlems I have like I said a 1973 F100 Ranger XLT with a 390 6.4l . I was experienceing (and now still am) put a new fuel pump, new in carb filter, replaced some fuel lines, and deleted a non functional AC system. Ran greta for now about 115 miles or so. Now it dies after driving about 4-5 miles in other words anywhere farther away than mini mart. So same problems have a rised and a new horrible one. My engine now squealls thought it might be the belts so replaced them with no change. Now I am lost on that and tonight when it died. I went to start it turned the key to crank her over and nothing but a whiring sound, no cam or crankshaft movement. popped the hood and no fan movement either then five minutes later started right up and idled in drive at 20 miles in hour
SOOO any ideas?
SOOO any ideas?
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OK, several questions...
1.) when it quit running, did it seem like it was gradually losing power before it died, or did it just quit?
2.) when you tried to restart it the second-to-last time, had it been running and quit? Was it an almost immediate restart, or had it had a chance to cool down?
3.) have you physically felt the accessories after it has been running? Do any of them feel exceptionally hot?
I ask this because I had a PS pump bearing go out, and it squealed like a banshee. Once it ran long enough to get screaming hot, it locked up and killed the engine. Every time, the engine would begin to idle rough and get sluggish a few minutes before it quit. After a few times of doing this, it locked up permanently, and the engine wouldn't even begin to crank over unless I removed the PS belt. Replaced the 300K '87 pump with a 68K '73 pump and never had that problem again.
Don't know if an accessory (PS, ALT, water pump) bearing is what is wrong with yours, but your post sounded very familiar to me.
1.) when it quit running, did it seem like it was gradually losing power before it died, or did it just quit?
2.) when you tried to restart it the second-to-last time, had it been running and quit? Was it an almost immediate restart, or had it had a chance to cool down?
3.) have you physically felt the accessories after it has been running? Do any of them feel exceptionally hot?
I ask this because I had a PS pump bearing go out, and it squealed like a banshee. Once it ran long enough to get screaming hot, it locked up and killed the engine. Every time, the engine would begin to idle rough and get sluggish a few minutes before it quit. After a few times of doing this, it locked up permanently, and the engine wouldn't even begin to crank over unless I removed the PS belt. Replaced the 300K '87 pump with a 68K '73 pump and never had that problem again.
Don't know if an accessory (PS, ALT, water pump) bearing is what is wrong with yours, but your post sounded very familiar to me.
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Have you done your vacuum test yet? I got this link off of another thread, and think it is great.
http://www.secondchancegarage.com/public/186.cfm
BTW, happy Veterans day!
http://www.secondchancegarage.com/public/186.cfm
BTW, happy Veterans day!
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Sounds like your starter stayed engaged and you chewed all the teeth off the starter and fly wheel. Just a guess from your discription. Manual or electric fuel pump? When you said you got rid of the ac did that also mean the ac pump?
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Sorry about your truck. Mine is also freakin possesed! Mine is having a terrible electrical problem for the last three or so months!
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I did find one vacuum leak only one fixed it nothing changed on the squealing.
Pulled the starter off and took it apart brushes and everything are fine all the teeth on the gear is there same for the fly wheel.
When the power quit it started to slow down gradually at first almost like a dead battery but the engine was still running. Tried to give it a little bit of gas thinking mayber my foot just backed off. it back fires sputters and dies with even a mild amount of gas.
Popped the hood and nothing felt hot the first things I checked was the battery starter battery cables voltage reg and the soleniod. then went on to anything mounted to or on the engine again nothing felt overly hot compaired to anything else.
The only problem I have with the starter being shot theory is a few minutes later it will start up run a few more miles and die, but at idle it seems it would run all freakin day.
It does have a mechanical pump now it had an electrical before.
I did also remove the air pump and the mounting bracket and fitted the correct size spacers to no change pulley depth.
Pulled the starter off and took it apart brushes and everything are fine all the teeth on the gear is there same for the fly wheel.
When the power quit it started to slow down gradually at first almost like a dead battery but the engine was still running. Tried to give it a little bit of gas thinking mayber my foot just backed off. it back fires sputters and dies with even a mild amount of gas.
Popped the hood and nothing felt hot the first things I checked was the battery starter battery cables voltage reg and the soleniod. then went on to anything mounted to or on the engine again nothing felt overly hot compaired to anything else.
The only problem I have with the starter being shot theory is a few minutes later it will start up run a few more miles and die, but at idle it seems it would run all freakin day.
It does have a mechanical pump now it had an electrical before.
I did also remove the air pump and the mounting bracket and fitted the correct size spacers to no change pulley depth.
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Rub a bar of soap on the belts (engine OFF) and see if that dont quiet them down.
Park it nose down and remove the hose that comes from the tank to the fuel pump, at the fuel pump (engine OFF) see if fuel flows. If it doesn't, your line is damaged or clogged. Good luck.
Park it nose down and remove the hose that comes from the tank to the fuel pump, at the fuel pump (engine OFF) see if fuel flows. If it doesn't, your line is damaged or clogged. Good luck.
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Alright the lines were clear but for good measure anyway I replaced them all the way through. primed the lines went drove well for about 6 miles died again with the same problems. Totally replaced the water pump alt and PS pump and any other pulley I could possible remove put new belts on still squeels like a banshee.
Now I am really scratchin my head.
Now I am really scratchin my head.
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do you have elictronic ignition or breaker points?....if its points then replace your points to fix the dieing issiue, my old 73 f-100 did the same thing to me one morning....it would idle fine but when i gave it gas it would spit, sputter, and die...i replaced my points and had no ferther problem out of that issiue.
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Did you do any recent work on or around the fuel tank?? I did a complete tune up on one of mine years ago and it did just what yours did. Ran great for a bit then started to die but it would Idle. After changing everything I could think of and still having the problem I removed the NEW fuel filter to check fuel flow, because I had the tank down I must have moved some rust around inside the tank and plugged the new filter, I didn't check it because it was new. I also had a lower tank strap break and that let the tank hang down pinching the line enough to cause the same trouble. Both are easy to checkso as stupid as they sound might be worth a look.Also check the rubber fuel hose section for cracks, it might be pulling air instead of fuel. Best of luck.
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Alright i know it has been a couple of days. But as per advice replaced the points and double checked the timing to make sure it was set made a slight adjustment to get it back to norm. Nothing changed still had the same.
Went on checked all the fuel lines no cracks or splits. moved on to the tank the hangers were fine dropped the tank to chack for any in tank blockages or see how bad the rust was, fairly clean so I cleaned the rest out and hung it back up. For good measure I just replaced the fuel filter and still problems abound.
Went on checked all the fuel lines no cracks or splits. moved on to the tank the hangers were fine dropped the tank to chack for any in tank blockages or see how bad the rust was, fairly clean so I cleaned the rest out and hung it back up. For good measure I just replaced the fuel filter and still problems abound.
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I would take all the belts off and fire it up, if the squeal goes away start putting belts back on one at a time and see when squeal comes back,
I have had altenaters make some funny noises before and if the alt is going bad it could cause all kinds off electrical gremlins
I have had altenaters make some funny noises before and if the alt is going bad it could cause all kinds off electrical gremlins