motors
I am also wondering if there is any way I can tell the year of the motor, is it stamped somewhere on the block like mopars, it is in a 68 F350 right now but I know it is not original and dont even think they had this motor that early.
Is it possible to posatively identify the tranny in the 68 behind the 351, again I dont think it is stock as I can see this truck was originally column shift and now it is on the floor 4 speed with 1st gear being real granny.
I am considering finding another tranny, something preferably/possiby 5 speed so that I can have an overdrive, also something that will allow me to go 60 miles an hour without burning up the motor, right now I cant imagine being able to get that sorta speed out of the truck as it sits cause the RPMs are so high even at 45 or so in the truck it is currently in. Any suggestions on what to look for and how to identify it? All this is going in an F-7 Big truck.
Thanks
Real hard to read the data plate on the truck but would someone help me to decode. I cant read what these #s are trying to tell me but the #s themselves are clear enough, first line is F35ANC14732, assuming this is the Vin, what was the original motor in the truck? Next lines are 135M........F-350......2.....81.....A.....28
10000......129.......4000........24
I am thinking that maybe the tranny that is in the truck may be the stock 68 unit after all, ( just a guess really though ) I think that it is the steering column that may have been changed at one point in which is now showing me the area where that column would have either been an auto or three on the tree. What tranny would have been used in 68 for this truck, is it a heavy duty long lasting unit? Thanks
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Here is a small resource for Ford engine data. There are many repositories of similar data on the web and there are some links to these on this page. This is designed more as a quick reference with the data arranged in my peculiar fashion. I am also including casting numbers and data for some engine parts that you may find useful. NOTE: Most of the info I have is only through 1974, with a few things to 78. That's it, no other years. I'm only into early stuff - not any late model items or information.</TD></TR>[/COLOR]<TR><TD>[************]
Page 1 - Intro, General engine data, crankshaft ID's, connecting rods
Page 2 - Cylinder block casting numbers
Page 3 - Cylinder head casting numbers
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Car Craft: 6 to 8 engine swap, 1967 Mustang
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Windsor
</TD><TD class=style21>221</TD><TD class=style21 width=74>1962-1963</TD><TD class=style21>3.50</TD><TD class=style21 rowSpan=3>2.87</TD><TD rowSpan=9>[***************]4.38[/COLOR]</TD><TD class=style21 rowSpan=4 width=46>2.2486</TD><TD class=style21 rowSpan=4 width=46>2.1232</TD><TD class=style21 rowSpan=3 width=42>5.155</TD><TD class=style21 rowSpan=4>8.206</TD></TR><TR><TD class=style21>260</TD><TD class=style21 width=74>1962-1965</TD><TD class=style21>3.80</TD></TR><TR><TD class=style21>289</TD><TD class=style21 width=74>1963-1968</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TD class=style21>302</TD><TD class=style21 width=74>1968-></TD><TD rowSpan=8>[***************]4.00[/COLOR]</TD><TD class=style21>3.00</TD><TD class=style21 width=42>5.090</TD></TR><TR><TD class=style21>351W</TD><TD class=style21 width=74>1969-></TD><TD class=style21>3.50</TD><TD class=style21 width=46>3.000</TD><TD class=style21 width=46>2.311</TD><TD class=style21 width=42>5.956</TD><TD>9.480 (69-70)
9.503 (71+)
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=style21 colSpan=2>302 Boss (1,2) </TD><TD class=style21 width=74>1969-1970</TD><TD class=style21>3.00</TD><TD class=style21 width=46>2.2486</TD><TD class=style21 width=46>2.1226</TD><TD class=style21 width=42>5.150</TD><TD class=style21>8.201-8.211</TD></TR><TR><TD rowSpan=3>335 Series
(Cleveland)
</TD><TD class=style21>351C (1) </TD><TD class=style21 width=74>1970-1974(3) </TD><TD rowSpan=2>[***************]3.50[/COLOR]</TD><TD class=style21 width=46>2.749</TD><TD class=style21 width=46>2.311</TD><TD class=style21 width=42>5.78</TD><TD class=style21>9.206</TD></TR><TR><TD class=style21>351M</TD><TD class=style21 width=74>1975-1980?</TD><TD rowSpan=2 width=46>[***************]2.9998[/COLOR]</TD><TD rowSpan=2 width=46>[***************]2.3107[/COLOR]</TD><TD rowSpan=2 width=42>[***************]6.58[/COLOR]</TD><TD class=style21>10.297</TD></TR><TR><TD class=style21>400</TD><TD class=style21 width=74>1971-1980?</TD><TD class=style21>4.00</TD><TD class=style21>10.297-10.302</TD></TR><TR><TD class=style21 rowSpan=8>FE Series(4,9)</TD><TD class=style21>332</TD><TD class=style21 width=74>1958-1959</TD><TD class=style21>3.30</TD><TD class=style21 rowSpan=8>4.63</TD><TD class=style21 rowSpan=8 width=46>2.749</TD><TD class=style21 rowSpan=8 width=46>2.438 (5) </TD><TD class=style21 rowSpan=3 width=42>6.538-6.542</TD><TD class=style21 rowSpan=8>10.17</TD></TR><TR><TD class=style21>352</TD><TD class=style21 width=74>1958-1966</TD><TD class=style21>3.50</TD></TR><TR><TD class=style21>361-Edsel</TD><TD class=style21 width=74>1958-1959</TD><TD class=style21 rowSpan=2>4.05</TD><TD class=style21> </TD></TR><TR><TD class=style21>390</TD><TD class=style21 width=74>1958-1966</TD><TD class=style21>3.78</TD><TD class=style21 rowSpan=5 width=42>6.486-6.490</TD></TR><TR><TD class=style21>406</TD><TD class=style21 width=74>1961-1971</TD><TD class=style21>4.13</TD><TD class=style21> </TD></TR><TR><TD class=style21>410 - Merc </TD><TD class=style21 width=74>1966-1967</TD><TD class=style21>4.05</TD><TD class=style21>3.98</TD></TR><TR><TD class=style21>427(7)</TD><TD class=style21 width=74>1963-1968</TD><TD class=style21>4.23</TD><TD class=style21>3.78</TD></TR><TR><TD class=style21>428(8)</TD><TD class=style21 width=74>1966-1970</TD><TD class=style21>4.13</TD><TD class=style21>3.98</TD></TR><TR><TD class=style21 rowSpan=4>385 Series</TD><TD class=style21>429-STD/CJ
SCJ
</TD><TD class=style21 width=74>1968-1973(6)
1979-1980
</TD><TD class=style21 rowSpan=4>4.36</TD><TD class=style21 rowSpan=3>3.59</TD><TD class=style21 rowSpan=4>4.90</TD><TD class=style21 rowSpan=4 width=46>3.00</TD><TD class=style21 rowSpan=4 width=46>2.50</TD><TD class=style21 width=42>6.605</TD><TD class=style8>10.300 (68-70)
10.310 (701/2-71)
10.322(72-up)
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=style21>429-Boss(1)
(820-S)</TD><TD class=style21 width=74>1969</TD><TD class=style21 width=42>6.549</TD><TD class=style21 rowSpan=2>10.300</TD></TR><TR><TD class=style21>429-Boss(1)
(820-T)</TD><TD class=style21 width=74>1969-1970</TD><TD class=style21 rowSpan=2 width=42>6.605</TD></TR><TR><TD class=style21>460</TD><TD class=style21 width=74>1969-1980+</TD><TD class=style21>3.85</TD><TD class=style21>See 429-STD</TD></TR><TR><TD class=style23>Notes</TD><TD colSpan=2></TD><TD colSpan=5></TD><TD colSpan=2></TD></TR><TR><TD class=style23 colSpan=3>1) Boss and HO motors listed in Ford parts books as "Special" </TD><TD class=style23 colSpan=5>4) Passenger car only </TD><TD class=style23 colSpan=2>7) SOHC engines require special block </TD></TR><TR><TD class=style23 colSpan=3>2) Boss 302 shares block dimensions of 90 deg V family with Cleveland-type cylinder heads </TD><TD class=style23 colSpan=5>5) except cranks machined for NASCAR rod </TD><TD class=style23 colSpan=2>8) CJ/SCJ 68-70 only </TD></TR><TR><TD class=style23 colSpan=3>3) 351-Boss - 71 only; 351-HO - 72, 73; 351-CJ - 71,73 (called "4V" in 72,73) </TD><TD class=style23 colSpan=5>6) CJ/SCJ 70,71 only </TD><TD class=style19 colSpan=2>9) Best internet source for FE info is http://fordfe.com </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Source - 1982 Engine Annual </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><CENTER><TABLE width=550><TBODY><TR><TD width="100%" align=left>ENGINE DIMENSONS </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; COLOR: #ffffff; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" border=2 cellSpacing=0 borderColor=#111111 cellPadding=0 width=550 background=images/blueback.gif><TBODY><TR><TD width="5%">Engine</TD><TD width="10%">Width</TD><TD width="15%">Length</TD><TD width="10%">Height</TD><TD width="10%">Weight</TD><TD width="50%">Notations</TD></TR><TR><TD>221
255
260
289
302
</TD><TD>24</TD><TD>29</TD><TD>27 1/2</TD><TD>460</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>Boss 302</TD><TD>24 1/2</TD><TD>29</TD><TD>28 1/2</TD><TD>500</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>351W</TD><TD>25</TD><TD>29</TD><TD>29</TD><TD>525</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>351C
Boss 351C</TD><TD>25 1/2</TD><TD>29 1/4</TD><TD>29</TD><TD>550</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>351M
400</TD><TD>26</TD><TD>29 1/2
</TD><TD>29</TD><TD>575</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>332
352
360
361
390
406
410
427
428
</TD><TD>27</TD><TD>32</TD><TD>29</TD><TD>625</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>427SOHC</TD><TD>32</TD><TD>34</TD><TD>30</TD><TD>680</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>429-460</TD><TD>27</TD><TD>34</TD><TD>30</TD><TD>720</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>Boss 429</TD><TD>30</TD><TD>34</TD><TD>30</TD><TD>635</TD><TD> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE width=550><TBODY><TR><TD width="100%" align=left>
CRANKSHAFt PART NUMEBRS AND DATA (BASE PART# 6303)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><CENTER><TABLE style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; COLOR: #ffffff; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" border=2 cellSpacing=0 borderColor=#111111 cellPadding=0 width=550 background=images/blueback.gif><TBODY><TR><TD width="14%">CID</TD><TD width="8%">Year</TD><TD width="11%">ID</TD><TD width="7%">Stroke</TD><TD width="10%">Main</TD><TD width="11%">Rod</TD><TD width="39%">Material</TD></TR><TR><TD>221 260 289</TD><TD>62-68</TD><TD>C2OZ
C3OZ
1M
1MA</TD><TD>2.87</TD><TD>2.2486</TD><TD>2.1232</TD><TD>Cast Iron</TD></TR><TR><TD>289HP</TD><TD>63-67</TD><TD>1M</TD><TD>2.87</TD><TD>2.4286</TD><TD>2.1232</TD><TD>High Nodular Iron, last counterweight may be polished for hardness test. May have orange paint swatch</TD></TR><TR><TD>302</TD><TD>68-69</TD><TD>C8AZ-A 2M</TD><TD>3.00</TD><TD>2.2486</TD><TD>2.1232</TD><TD>Cast Iron</TD></TR><TR><TD>302</TD><TD>70-74</TD><TD>C8AZ-A
2M
2MA</TD><TD>3.00</TD><TD>2.2486</TD><TD>2.12322</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TD>302</TD><TD>75-78</TD><TD>2M
2MA</TD><TD>3.00</TD><TD>2.2486</TD><TD>2.1232</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TD>Boss 302</TD><TD>69-70</TD><TD>D0ZE-A
7FE-B</TD><TD>3.00</TD><TD>2.2486</TD><TD>2.1232</TD><TD>Forged steel, 69 is crossdrilled</TD></TR><TR><TD>351W</TD><TD>69-72</TD><TD>3M
3C</TD><TD>3.5</TD><TD>3.0000</TD><TD>2.3110</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TD>351W</TD><TD>73-79</TD><TD>3MA</TD><TD>3.5</TD><TD>3.0000</TD><TD>2.3110</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TD>351C</TD><TD>70-74</TD><TD>4M
4MA </TD><TD>3.5</TD><TD>2.749</TD><TD>2.311</TD><TD>Boss and HO have Brinell hardness test mark located on a polished conuterweight</TD></TR><TR><TD>351M </TD><TD>75-80</TD><TD>1K</TD><TD>3.5</TD><TD>3.000</TD><TD>2.311</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>400</TD><TD>71-80</TD><TD>5M
5MA
5MAB </TD><TD>4.0</TD><TD>3.000</TD><TD>2.311</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TD>429</TD><TD>68-78</TD><TD>4U
4UA </TD><TD>3.59</TD><TD>3.00</TD><TD>2.5</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TD>460</TD><TD>68-78</TD><TD>2Y
2YA
2YAB
2YABC </TD><TD>3.85</TD><TD>3.000</TD><TD>2.500</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TD>460</TD><TD>79-</TD><TD>3Y </TD><TD>3.85</TD><TD>3.000</TD><TD>2.500</TD><TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE width=550><TBODY><TR><TD width="100%" align=left>
CONNECTING ROD PART NUMBERS AND DATA (BASE PART # 6200)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><CENTER><TABLE style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; COLOR: #ffffff; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" border=2 cellSpacing=0 borderColor=#111111 cellPadding=0 width=550 background=images/blueback.gif><TBODY><TR><TD width="18%">Part#</TD><TD width="10%">CID</TD><TD width="20%">Weight(grams)</TD><TD width="10%">Length</TD><TD width="10%">Bolt</TD><TD width="39%">Material</TD></TR><TR><TD>C20Z--A
C3AZ--D </TD><TD>221/260
260/289</TD><TD>521-533</TD><TD>5.1545</TD><TD>5/16</TD><TD>Broached bolt seat</TD></TR><TR><TD>C9ZZ--B</TD><TD>289HP
302 Boss</TD><TD>581-593</TD><TD>5.1545</TD><TD>3/8</TD><TD>Spot Faced bolt seat</TD></TR><TR><TD>D10Z--A</TD><TD>302</TD><TD>557-569</TD><TD>5.090</TD><TD>5/16</TD><TD>"Standard Duty"</TD></TR><TR><TD>D0AZ--A</TD><TD>351C</TD><TD>688-700</TD><TD>5.778</TD><TD>3/8</TD><TD>Marked DOAE-A on beam</TD></TR><TR><TD>D1ZZ--A</TD><TD>351C Boss</TD><TD>688-700</TD><TD>5.778</TD><TD>3/8</TD><TD>Marked D1ZX-AA, shotpeened, magnafluxed, 180K psi bolts</TD></TR><TR><TD>D1AZ-A</TD><TD>400</TD><TD>846-858</TD><TD>6.58</TD><TD>3/8</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></CENTER></CENTER></CENTER></CENTER></CENTER>
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The oil pump drive on the the 289/302 is a 1/4" drive, its 5/16" on the 351W. the distributors are the same and can be swapped back and forth but you have to replace the drive gear to match the oil pump.
The oil pans and timing covers are also different. The 289/302's have a smaller front radius on the pan where it meets the timing cover than the 351W.
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