Russian submarine
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from what it looks like to me is that it may or may not be able to get the job done but it don't look very HI-TECH. the hand painted "stickers" on some of the plumbing are terrible and looking at the welds are frightening. how old is it? it looks like it was built in the 50' or 60's. the poor guys uniforms are from the salvation army. i'm sorry but in my opinion the russkies have a "thata work" mfg. process and put it into service just as long as "they" (the ones that give the orders) don't have to ride in it. thats my story and i'm sticken to it.
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And be leery of the cook who looks like he's related to Boris Karloff.
It does somewhat look like it was built by the same company that built the Monitor and the Merrimac.
Still, it's a cool site.
Originally Posted by KICKEDBACK
from what it looks like to me is that it may or may not be able to get the job done but it don't look very HI-TECH. the hand painted "stickers" on some of the plumbing are terrible and looking at the welds are frightening. how old is it? it looks like it was built in the 50' or 60's. the poor guys uniforms are from the salvation army. i'm sorry but in my opinion the russkies have a "thata work" mfg. process and put it into service just as long as "they" (the ones that give the orders) don't have to ride in it. thats my story and i'm sticken to it.
Still, it's a cool site.
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Some make comments about how thr Typhoon and other Soviet subs are built. Yes, thier technology is light years behind us in certain areas.
Has anyone been following the Virginia class submarine debacle?
Northrop Grumman and the Navy have reccalled every Virginia class boat built to date to re-inspect welds that were / may have been faulty and to m ake the subsequent repairs at TAXPAYER expense.
On one particlar Virginia class boat, yhe entire torpedo rack and lift had to be re-done as it wasn't properly aligned and the crew was unable to load a fish in the tube.
These Virginia class boats are about a billion dollars a copy. this is what happens when some ********* bean counter tries to shave a few million off the price and expedite the whole process.
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Has anyone been following the Virginia class submarine debacle?
Northrop Grumman and the Navy have reccalled every Virginia class boat built to date to re-inspect welds that were / may have been faulty and to m ake the subsequent repairs at TAXPAYER expense.
On one particlar Virginia class boat, yhe entire torpedo rack and lift had to be re-done as it wasn't properly aligned and the crew was unable to load a fish in the tube.
Tim
Northrop Grumman and the Navy have reccalled every Virginia class boat built to date to re-inspect welds that were / may have been faulty and to m ake the subsequent repairs at TAXPAYER expense.
On one particlar Virginia class boat, yhe entire torpedo rack and lift had to be re-done as it wasn't properly aligned and the crew was unable to load a fish in the tube.
Tim
The torpedo compartment on the Virginias is a nightmare anyways, very tight, and just packed full. I remember firewatching for another welder on my crew, the spot he was in was so tight I had to make and break a connection on the cable to allow him to maneuver the stinger and stick in and out of position.
A lot of the weld issues were due to sub-assembly work at Quonset Point, RI, a lot of the leads there have a reputation for signing off packets of work without even looking at them. I have been sent to inspect welds that they signed off that the pieces weren't even installed. I wound up getting unofficially relieved of my inspection duties for calling a shift supervisor on that. Apparently, a lowly union worker wasn't allowed to tell a supervisor that he was an idiot for signing off on that stuff.
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I worked on one of those at EB in Groton, CT. IIRC, this was the first series of boats built entirely on computer without any mockups. Prior to this, they built mockups of critical areas out of wood to make sure everything would fit and work. I got to tour the last one they built, for a Seawolf-class boat.
The torpedo compartment on the Virginias is a nightmare anyways, very tight, and just packed full. I remember firewatching for another welder on my crew, the spot he was in was so tight I had to make and break a connection on the cable to allow him to maneuver the stinger and stick in and out of position.
A lot of the weld issues were due to sub-assembly work at Quonset Point, RI, a lot of the leads there have a reputation for signing off packets of work without even looking at them. I have been sent to inspect welds that they signed off that the pieces weren't even installed. I wound up getting unofficially relieved of my inspection duties for calling a shift supervisor on that. Apparently, a lowly union worker wasn't allowed to tell a supervisor that he was an idiot for signing off on that stuff.
The torpedo compartment on the Virginias is a nightmare anyways, very tight, and just packed full. I remember firewatching for another welder on my crew, the spot he was in was so tight I had to make and break a connection on the cable to allow him to maneuver the stinger and stick in and out of position.
A lot of the weld issues were due to sub-assembly work at Quonset Point, RI, a lot of the leads there have a reputation for signing off packets of work without even looking at them. I have been sent to inspect welds that they signed off that the pieces weren't even installed. I wound up getting unofficially relieved of my inspection duties for calling a shift supervisor on that. Apparently, a lowly union worker wasn't allowed to tell a supervisor that he was an idiot for signing off on that stuff.
I tried to rep ya not only for a great post but also for trying to do the right thing as any conscientious person should do. The rep police said I have to spread more love around before I can help you again.
A welding inspector in Newport News, Va was fired for signing off on welds that were faulty.
I sailed three Los Angelas class boats from '80-'88 and I can say that when a ship is at it's test depth, (deepest dive) and a weld or a valve lets go, the entire ship and crew will perish at sea. This is nothing to screw with and I commend you for your efforts sir.
It's been a awhile but I believe the ratio of sea pressure is 50 + / - psi per 100 feet of depth. At test depth, the diameter of the hull is compressed to 10-12 inches smaller than when the ship is on the surface. That measurement could be way off bit it's a significant amount of flex.
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I didn't have $10k, didn't want a year vacation, and didn't get any benefit from not doing my job, so I did it as best as I could.
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I sailed three Los Angelas class boats from '80-'88 and I can say that when a ship is at it's test depth, (deepest dive) and a weld or a valve lets go, the entire ship and crew will perish at sea. This is nothing to screw with and I commend you for your efforts sir.
It's been a awhile but I believe the ratio of sea pressure is 50 + / - psi per 100 feet of depth. At test depth, the diameter of the hull is compressed to 10-12 inches smaller than when the ship is on the surface. That measurement could be way off bit it's a significant amount of flex.
Tim
I sailed three Los Angelas class boats from '80-'88 and I can say that when a ship is at it's test depth, (deepest dive) and a weld or a valve lets go, the entire ship and crew will perish at sea. This is nothing to screw with and I commend you for your efforts sir.
It's been a awhile but I believe the ratio of sea pressure is 50 + / - psi per 100 feet of depth. At test depth, the diameter of the hull is compressed to 10-12 inches smaller than when the ship is on the surface. That measurement could be way off bit it's a significant amount of flex.
Tim
It's 44 psi/100ft of depth. I don't know the total compression of the hull but, to impress the newbies, we used to tie a string across the inside of the engine room on the surface before a test dive and there would be about a foot of sag at depth.
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Your memory is pretty dang close, Shipmate.
It's 44 psi/100ft of depth. I don't know the total compression of the hull but, to impress the newbies, we used to tie a string across the inside of the engine room on the surface before a test dive and there would be about a foot of sag at depth.
It's 44 psi/100ft of depth. I don't know the total compression of the hull but, to impress the newbies, we used to tie a string across the inside of the engine room on the surface before a test dive and there would be about a foot of sag at depth.
Thanks for the corrections sir!
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I was a knuckle-dragger aft of frame 57 (fast boat).
Wow. A trip down memory lane. Funny how some things remain vivid after 35 years.