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Old Sep 23, 2009 | 06:36 PM
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Just a quick question. I am looking at a 1978 F150 4x4 with 351 and C6, I need a good work truck to drive all winter and this looks like a good deal but I am just wondering what kind of mileage I could expect out of a truck like that- I dont expect alot but I am curious as to how bad it will be. thanks
 
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Old Sep 23, 2009 | 06:50 PM
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well when i got my truck i needed a carb rebuild and was getting about 2gallons per mile!
i rebuilt the carb then i was at
6mpg!
did a tune up (points caps roters plugs and wires) got it to
10mpg
new tires
12mpg!!!!!!

im driving a 79 f250 with a 400 and c6 trany 2wd
 
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Old Sep 23, 2009 | 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Hmann
well when i got my truck i needed a carb rebuild and was getting about 2gallons per mile!
i rebuilt the carb then i was at
6mpg!
did a tune up (points caps roters plugs and wires) got it to
10mpg
new tires
12mpg!!!!!!

im driving a 79 f250 with a 400 and c6 trany 2wd
are you serious?? two gallons a mile? dude, after i got my 76 running, i drove it back and forth to work every day for the whole summer. i thought it had a one speed t-case thanks to an incorrect ****. so i thought it just had really low gears. it has an FE block and i was still getting two miles per gallon while turning 4k to go 55 mph. turns out, while doing more work on it later, i discover it is in fact an NP 205, so i was in 4lo the whole time... and it STILL has carb issues... now it gets like 12 or 14... im not sure cause i dont drive it on the highway (or at all right now) that often.
 
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Old Sep 23, 2009 | 07:58 PM
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A 351 shouldn't be too bad. I think most had 2-barrel carbs anyway. It'll probably be around 14-18mpg depending on how it's geared.
 
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Old Sep 23, 2009 | 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Hmann
well when i got my truck i needed a carb rebuild and was getting about 2gallons per mile!
i rebuilt the carb then i was at
6mpg!
did a tune up (points caps roters plugs and wires) got it to
10mpg
new tires
12mpg!!!!!!

im driving a 79 f250 with a 400 and c6 trany 2wd
If I were you I would have your engine checked! First to determine the exact size motor it is. I don't know of a 400 ci engine being built by Ford. There was a 352 ci motor built in the early 60's for trucks. They were also installed in early Ford cars as well. 400 ci I don't think so. I could be wrong. To my knowledge, limited as it is, GM produced the only 400 ci motors. It is possible Ford cast a few 400 ci engine. But I would check to see
 
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Old Sep 23, 2009 | 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Ric166
If I were you I would have your engine checked! First to determine the exact size motor it is. I don't know of a 400 ci engine being built by Ford. There was a 352 ci motor built in the early 60's for trucks. They were also installed in early Ford cars as well. 400 ci I don't think so. I could be wrong. To my knowledge, limited as it is, GM produced the only 400 ci motors. It is possible Ford cast a few 400 ci engine. But I would check to see
Ford made a 400 - same family as the 351M. Not entirely a performance motor by any means.
 
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Old Sep 23, 2009 | 08:14 PM
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I believe that maybe Ford made a 400 performance motor. I would question it being in a F-250 2wd truck in 1976. I am going to research it a little and see what I can find about it. I'd be interest in the engine code from the truck.
 

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Old Sep 23, 2009 | 08:44 PM
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allow me to clear this up. ford made two 400 motors. one was a big block that ended in the early 70s. i dont know much about it. then they made the 400. the 400 is a stroked 351 CLEAVLAND. not windsor. it has a 10.3 inch deck height. it is a small block. then they made a 351 MODIFIED that had the original 351C stroke, but could use the 400's heads and deck height, so they didnt need to make two motors. sometimes the 400 is referred to as the 400M, since its so similar to the 351M. however, that is incorrect, it is just a 400 small block.
 
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Old Sep 23, 2009 | 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by mchbts
Just a quick question. I am looking at a 1978 F150 4x4 with 351 and C6, I need a good work truck to drive all winter and this looks like a good deal but I am just wondering what kind of mileage I could expect out of a truck like that- I dont expect alot but I am curious as to how bad it will be. thanks
there are 3 different types of 351s. 351 cleveland, 351 modified, 351 windsor. but they should all get somewhere around 12-16mpg.
 
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Old Sep 23, 2009 | 09:32 PM
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Thanks for clearing that up. I have some questions! Since one 351 was a big block and one a small block, what was the degree of bore to make the 351c a 400? Also why would Ford do that? Especially for use in a truck the size of an F-250? two wheel drive no less. I am a 60's and 70's car and truck guy! And in all my years of owning Ford cars and trucks and working under the hoods of many others I have never found there to be a 400 engine in one. Did it wear a 351 badge? What made it special?
 
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Old Sep 23, 2009 | 09:40 PM
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I own a freshly rebuilt 5.0 Roush engine. It has stock parts. Cam, heads, everything are brand new right out of the box from the Ford company. It is fired stock and has a 1989 truck EFI injection system. This engine is in a 1989 F-150 4x4 with a five speed overdrive tranny with 10X15 inch American Racing wheels and SS exhaust and flowmasters. I get right at 8 miles to the gallon. How can a 351 possibly get between 12-16 miles a gallon
 
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Old Sep 23, 2009 | 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Ric166
Thanks for clearing that up. I have some questions! Since one 351 was a big block and one a small block, what was the degree of bore to make the 351c a 400? Also why would Ford do that? Especially for use in a truck the size of an F-250? two wheel drive no less. I am a 60's and 70's car and truck guy! And in all my years of owning Ford cars and trucks and working under the hoods of many others I have never found there to be a 400 engine in one. Did it wear a 351 badge? What made it special?
the 351C is a small block for one. the 400 based of the 351C block. the 400 cubes was achieved with a stroke. same bore as the 351. the 351M was the 400 block (because it is BASED on the 351C, but the deck height is 1.1 inches higher, among other subtle changes) with the original 351 crank. and 351W and 351C are similar, but are not the same. and the 400 was produced so that ford could have a small block over 400 cubes to push the big cars around, and incidentally found its way into trucks too. but then it came from the factory with a mere 175 HP thanks to a 6 degree cam gear retard for emissions. change the timing chain and gears to aftermarket, not stock replacements, and youll be up around 300 HP. and the 400 was branded the 400. thats what it says in the door code if its indeed the original motor.
 
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Old Sep 23, 2009 | 09:57 PM
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no such thing as a 351 big block. ive never heard of a 400 big block either, there is a 406 and a 410. the only 400 i know of is the 335 series 400 small block. could be mistaken though so dont jump down my throat. the 351m and 400 are the same except for the stroke so they could be easily mistaken for one another(there is probably a way to tell them apart but i dont know it). this was all probably done to save money in the factories, much easier to make 1 block instead of 2, and to reduce emissions and improve gas mileage(they failed). i dont know why your engine gets 8mpg, but a 351 running right can at least get 12mpg.
 
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Old Sep 23, 2009 | 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Ric166
I own a freshly rebuilt 5.0 Roush engine. It has stock parts. Cam, heads, everything are brand new right out of the box from the Ford company. It is fired stock and has a 1989 truck EFI injection system. This engine is in a 1989 F-150 4x4 with a five speed overdrive tranny with 10X15 inch American Racing wheels and SS exhaust and flowmasters. I get right at 8 miles to the gallon. How can a 351 possibly get between 12-16 miles a gallon
there are two reasons. one: yours is a racing motor. two: when ford came out with the EFI in the late 80s and early 90s, they didnt have a clue. the 460 made 50 less HP than its carbureted predecessor and saw a decrease in fuel economy. similar results were seen across the line up. my 460 gets 9 mpg with the EFI. my buddy's truck that is identical, and that he drives harder, but has a carb, gets 12.
 
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Old Sep 23, 2009 | 10:16 PM
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Man, I read your profile! If indeed you are 18, your up on your fords! I am having a problem with my truck. See if you can explain it. My truck idles great at 900 RPM. When I take off in 1st gear and shift to 2nd it starts to lose RPM's and drops to nothing before stalling completely . Can you tell me what would cause it to act like that?
 
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