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Hi Dummy, I know you haunt this forum often so chances are you will see this soon. My '67 Galaxie 500 (not a truck but still a Ford) still has the original 289 thermactor head engine. It's just used up its second rebuild. I had another 289 out of a non-thermactor head Galaxie in the parts loft and decided to rebuild that one and have it ready to swap so as to not have the old Gal out of action for any longer than needed. So here's the rub. The air conditioner unit and the thermactor pump rely on the same V-belt. Since the new engine does not have thermactor heads, it would be silly to install all of the thermactor components. There must be a pulley and bracket assy that was used on air conditioned/non thermactor engines. Anyone out there have one or know where one can be had? Steve
PS. here is a pic of a non Thermactor '67 with air. I believe this is the bracket and idler that I need. Steve
PS. here is a pic of a non Thermactor '67 with air. I believe this is the bracket and idler that I need. Steve
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What pulley and bracket are you refering to?
If an idler pulley and bracket, the parts catalog makes no reference to T/E.
Which means the same ones (right & left) were used with/without.
Are you aware of the following?
Ford offered C6AZ6052A = Plug (1/2" -20 x 1 11/32') to plug off the holes in cylinder heads when T/E was not used.
Fits: 289/302/352/360/390/410/427/428 (8 required).
If an idler pulley and bracket, the parts catalog makes no reference to T/E.
Which means the same ones (right & left) were used with/without.
Are you aware of the following?
Ford offered C6AZ6052A = Plug (1/2" -20 x 1 11/32') to plug off the holes in cylinder heads when T/E was not used.
Fits: 289/302/352/360/390/410/427/428 (8 required).
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Number Dummy, The only idler and bracket shown in the photo is right behind the radiator cap. The bracket is bolted in part to the air conditioning compressor. When a thermactor pump is installed, the belt goes around the pump pulley and the idler shown in the photo is not used. < I know that the port on the thermactor heads can be plugged but that does not have anything to do with trying to procure an idler and bracket. I can take photos of my original thermactor set up as it is still on the vehicle and operational. Thanks, Steve
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That is the same way my 64 Galaxie was set up when it had A/C, and it was a 67 Fairlane 390 engine with the thermactor set up. I still have the compressor around some where and the pulley may still be on it. I will look tonight and if I can find it I will let you know. I will be in the Portland area thiss weekend.
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Parts catalog pic of the all the engine component parts associated with A/C shows two idler pulleys (one fixed, one adjustable).
The text lists these two idler pulleys.
The text makes no mention of with or w/o T/E inre to these idler pulleys.
The text lists these two idler pulleys.
The text makes no mention of with or w/o T/E inre to these idler pulleys.
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That pulley is very common on many a Ford from that era with A/C. I have two of them.. on my 289 and 410. It is the adjustable one for the tension of the A/C belt. I've seen them now and then on Ebay over the last 9 years. It mounts directly onto the large A/C bracket.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NOS-1...Q5fAccessories
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/OEM-F...Q5fAccessories
The second one was used due to complaints that one route of a belt was too long and the belt would slap around. I also have this one and when taking apart it is a good idea to shoot photos son you don't go... "let's see how did this work?"
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NOS-1...Q5fAccessories
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/OEM-F...Q5fAccessories
The second one was used due to complaints that one route of a belt was too long and the belt would slap around. I also have this one and when taking apart it is a good idea to shoot photos son you don't go... "let's see how did this work?"
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Mike, thanks for the great post. It looks like the fist auction item is the one I am looking for. The second auction item is the non adjustable idler that mounts under the compressor - I have that one. it's hard to tell from the photo but it looks very similar to the bracket shown in the photo that I posted. Thanks again. PS thanks for the generous "postage". I hope you were able to reshape the wing window pivot to work. Steve
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That pulley is very common on many a Ford from that era with A/C. I have two of them.. on my 289 and 410. It is the adjustable one for the tension of the A/C belt.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NOS-1...Q5fAccessories
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NOS-1...Q5fAccessories
Fits: 1967 Mustang/Galaxie/LTD 289.
This is not the adjustable idler pulley used with factory installed integral in dash A/C.
If you have in dash integral A/C, there are two different adjustable idler pulleys. One was used before production date 1/3/1967. One was used from 1/3/1967.
The production date is listed on the Warranty Plate in the form of a code. Examples: 03A = 1/3/1967 / 17K = October 17,1966. The letter I is skipped.
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Great info, Dummy. Our Galaxie does in fact have a build date of October 1966. Here is a pic of the stock configuration of the Smog/AC placement and belt. A small non-ajdustable idler can be seen just under the AC compressor. Steve
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According to the parts catalog, this is correct if you have dealer installed HANG-ON A/C.
In other words, the A/C unit is bolted to the bottom of the dashboard.
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With factory installed Integral A/C, the A/C is integral with the heater, and is in the dash itself.
There are TWO idler pulleys, one fixed (R/H), one adjustable (L/H).
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C7AZ8678A is correct for hang-on A/C ONLY.
HANG-ON dealer installed A/C engine components, includes how ALL the belts are routed illustrated here: 1965/72 Ford Passenger Car Parts Catalog: Section 197.2 ~ Page 9.
Factory Installed Integral A/C engine components, includes how ALL the belts are routed illustrated here: Same as above except Section 197.2 ~ Page 10.
I dunno if your local dealer still has this parts catalog, but it's available on a CD from hipoparts.com.
If you cannot find the illustrations, call obsolete part vendor Green Sales' help line (513-731-3304) and ask them to email or fax you these two pages.
Sorry, I cannot scan and post pics...I'm using this parts catalog on Ford microfiche slides.
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C7AZ8678A .. Idler Pulley-Adjustable / Used with dealer installed HANG ON A/C (the ebay ad says "underdash" A/C which is a hang on unit).
Fits: 1967 Mustang/Galaxie/LTD 289.
This is not the adjustable idler pulley used with factory installed integral in dash A/C.
If you have in dash integral A/C, there are two different adjustable idler pulleys. One was used before production date 1/3/1967. One was used from 1/3/1967.
The production date is listed on the Warranty Plate in the form of a code. Examples: 03A = 1/3/1967 / 17K = October 17,1966. The letter I is skipped.
Fits: 1967 Mustang/Galaxie/LTD 289.
This is not the adjustable idler pulley used with factory installed integral in dash A/C.
If you have in dash integral A/C, there are two different adjustable idler pulleys. One was used before production date 1/3/1967. One was used from 1/3/1967.
The production date is listed on the Warranty Plate in the form of a code. Examples: 03A = 1/3/1967 / 17K = October 17,1966. The letter I is skipped.
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Well, I sure didn't expect this to be so difficult. Three things I know for sure. 1. This is a bone stock original vehicle right down to the AM radio. So this is the way that Henry's buddies built it. We bought it from the original owner in 1973 with only 37K on the odometer. 2. It has the factory indash AC option. 3. There is a bracket and adjustable idler out there somewhere for this application but I will put the thermactor pump back on just to run the AC until I can get to the bottom of this. Thanks for everyone's input. Steve
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Well, I sure didn't expect this to be so difficult. Three things I know for sure. 1. This is a bone stock original vehicle right down to the AM radio. So this is the way that Henry's buddies built it. We bought it from the original owner in 1973 with only 37K on the odometer. 2. It has the factory indash AC option. 3. There is a bracket and adjustable idler out there somewhere for this application but I will put the thermactor pump back on just to run the AC until I can get to the bottom of this. Thanks for everyone's input. Steve
With in-dash factory A/C, there were two idler pulleys.
If you can get the pic, you will see what I'm refering to, as all the underhood parts are shown.
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Dummy, you are not to blame for my confusion. I appreciate the references that you have provided. I will investigate those leads to the fullest and we shall conquer----eventually. Steve