Ok, I'm sure I'm gonna catch flack for this, IF it's even allowed to be posted up, but I have a rant about the stereotypical diesel truck owner. I think its important as some of you need to check yourself. This is not directed to those who are responsable diesel truck owners, just the wreckless ones- and there are many. I've been going to the Carlilse All Truck Nationals in Pennsylvania for the last 9 years, and each year this gets worse and worse.

Now, I have driven hopped up diesel trucks, I have alot of friends who still have hopped up diesel trucks, and I have nothing against diesel trucks. I know what they are capable of, and I know that they are amazing machines. What I can't stand though, is the stereotype you diesel guys are giving yourselves. The freakin Honda rice burners behave better than you! Every time I saw a reckless burnout, it was a diesel truck. Every time I saw someone drunk behind the wheel it was a diesel truck. Every time I saw another truck get screwed up, it was a diesel truck owners fault. Every time I saw a woman get disrespected, it was a diesel guy, and both fights I witnessed were because of someone in a diesel truck. And when I say, "every time", I don't mean once. "Every time" means multiple times- it was happening all weekend long. There were about 1,500 trucks at this event, and EVERYONE else is pissed off at the diesel guys. Problem is, they will crack down on EVERYONE for it. hot rod guys, minitruck guys, everyone is going to get blamed.

Now granted, most of these trouble makers were young guys. But even so, I'm only 25, and I had more respect for others at age 16 than most of these kids do now. I'm not blaming Powerstroke guys, or duramax guys, or even the Cummins crowd. You are all as a group equally guilty. For those out there who are responsable about it, the rest of the world thanks you. But to the reckless idiots you need to grow the hell up, your going to screw it up for everyone. And no one cares that you can smoke out everyone with your filthy soot. So you can waste fuel, good for you. Even Gail Banks laughs at you, calling you the "smoke boys". One of these days you'll get your *** beat for it like that one guy at Carlilse did. This flows out onto the streets in everyday driving too. I see it nearly everyday. Its kind of like how the fox body mustang crowd all drove like a-holes years ago. Maybey they just sold thier stangs and bought diesel trucks. Diesel guys really need to work on their reputation and start behaving, because as a whole, your not looking very good to the rest of the automotive sceene. I don't know, what ever you get the point I'm done now. I hope you take this seriously and don't just get all pissy over it.

 

While I am one of the good guys, I really don't care what the rest of the world thinks about me... Not much I can do about that except prove them wrong with my actions....

Am not part of the bow down and appease crowd.... but that's just me...

Must ask, is it possible this may be an issue of "I see what I want to see" ?
you know like when you bought a new car that you thought was unique,
you started seeing them all over the road right after ???

but I really think it is the signs of the times.... not the vehicle you drive....
The world as WE know it will never go back to that...

Good on you that you 'see' and realize the difference, sounds lke you were raised better!

There are *******s in every part of life, but there are also good guys too....

just not as "out there" and noticeable....

One of the most respected people I have ever known was just as unassuming as you can imagine....

Real heroes don't have to TELL/SHOW you that they are ......

 

It always seems that events bring the good, the bad and the ugly out of the woodwork to one place. Unfortunately you don't see the good guys since they are not making a scene and drawing attention to themselves. There are bad apples in every crowd, but there are good ones too.

I grew up respecting others and having the fact that driving is a privilege (not a right) beat into my head every day. I've always been respectful of how my actions affect others. Too bad it's not a common practice any more.

I'm sorry that there were bunch of hooligans out there causing trouble. I don't think that you can attribute to diesel owners in general, but more in the fact that the unruly group happen to drive diesels. There are lots of us out there that aren't "smoke" happy crazies using the roadways (and tracks) as our personal playground.

Most of the offensive rigs down here are jacked up 16", have giant chrome wheels and are racing to park it at the mall to see how many people ask them about their "cool" rig .

Every "group" has their own group of miscreants causing trouble. I can appreciate your frustration as I have a laundry list of things that annoy me too. I apologize for their actions as I am apparently linked to them through my choice of transportation.

 

Bingo, the "cool" guys. So I guess its on your coast too. When you said you were sorry to me because of being linked to them, no need, they should be apoligizing to you for making your sceene look bad. Now, its not that I go out looking for the bad apples, and I know that they are in every crowd. I am a pure automotive enthusiest. I attend tractor shows, truck shows, mini truck shows, hot rod shows, kustoms shows, rat rod/ jalopy shows, muscle car shows, classic car shows, tuner/ import shows, off road events, jeep shows/ trail rides, races, you name it. This is my life. So being around so many different sceenes and knowing so many people within them all, this is what I have noticed. Yes, every sceene has its bad apples, I will never deny that. But I've just been seeing more of them within the diesel truck community. I think this will ultimatly hurt it, and I don't want to see that happen. This wasn't the groups or clubs of diesel guys, just alot of individuals.

The mini truck crowd was pretty bad about 5 yrs ago if anyone remembers, but they realized something needed to be done before they were hated on by everyone and out cast. They have since been really working hard to clean up thier reputations, and alot of the rowdy guys have been put in their place by other minitruckers and now stay in line to keep their sceene alive. I hope the performance diesel community follows their leed before its too far gone. Thanks for letting me vent.

 

Unfortunately this has started to become more the norm than the exception. Similar things happened at the TS Outlaw event in May in Bowling Green that cause the drag racing portion of the event to be canceled. There were people that pulled trucks all the way across the country to be there. Hundreds if not thousands of trucks. All ruined by a couple of morons who couldn't control their irresponsible actions. It happened at Scheids also. There has been a LOT of behind the scene discussion with several of the major diesel site admin's and mods getting together to see what could be done to help police our sport in an effort to not get it completely taken away by the tree huggers and naysayers.

 

Wow, they shut it down?!? That sucks, its worse than I thought then...nationwide. At least at Carlilse nothing got cancelled, but next year may be a different story if it continues. I hope for they're sake the diesel guys get something figured out. And yeah I'd be afraid of the tree huggers too. Good point.

 

i hate people like that they give us diesel owers bad name cause they want to see who can blow more black smoke it stupid un like guy how get a diesel to tow and for the great eco

 

You went to a truck show and are surprised that people were acting up in their trucks?Go to a Nopi show and let me know if the Honduh are well behaved.Any gathering has its share of show offs.

 

Yes, I know every group has their show offs, I already said I'd never deny that. But just so you know, the diesel guys here were worse than the Hondas at Nopi 2 yrs ago when I went. I also previously stated I go to tuner shows as well as plenty other types, so I see it unbiased from all sides pretty good I think. By the way, NOPI went bankrupt last spring- they are no longer around.

 

Ok, I'm going to nit pick here and if you stay around the 6.0 and other diesel forums you'll pick up on the fact that I'm known for nit picking.

When you say "every time" it actually goes beyond just even multiple times, it means every single time that you've noticed this, it's been a diesel owner that did it. Not one single time was it with someone in a gas vehicle. I find that hard to believe. "More often then not", "the majority of the time" etc would actually be phrasing it a little bit better.

Having said that, I have seen equal if not worse behavior from people from all walks of live that drive gasoline powered vehicles. I just love it when gas drivers use their flame throwing exhaust as the rev up their engine at a stop light(now I've only seen that 3 times in my life, but I have yet to see a diesel owner do that). Also I would be willing to bet it would be more often then not owners of gasoline powered vehicles drive more reckless then the diesel owners that you described. Considering that there are more gas vehicles then diesel ones on the road at this point in time(which might change later on) statistically speaking I have a good chance on that one.

I'm by no means excusing this behavior on any side, but it's when people that use phrases such like that stereotypes are brought about and then other people make wrong judgement calls about vehicle owners just based on what fuel their vehicle takes. And they also seem to mitigate that "their side" has quite a few bad apples as well.

 

Ahhhhhh, I know exactly what you are saying, I am very afraid of comitment of any kind, and you know how women get with word play, so I have learned to be carful how I use them haha. But I stick by this one. "Every time that I noticed a problem" is accually correct for this particular situation, at this particular event. If problems were occuring else where, (witch could have very well been the case), then I did not see them. So, I'm calling it as I see it in this instance, and multiple times at that.

Yes, you are also right that, statistically speaking, more gassers are out there than diesel trucks, so yes more dangerous drivers will naturally be behind the wheel of a gas truck vs a diesel truck. But thats not my point.

Listen, the only place I wanted this thread to go, was to point out the state of diesel owners and the stereotype being placed upon them by the masses. Public opinion IS stronger than truth, remember that. Here's an example: I bet most of you hate on ricers right? How are they any different from a diesel enthusiest? Back when tuner cars started comming out of the shadows, they weren't mainstream yet, and were sorta left to themselves by other auto enthusiests and by law enforcement, who, at the time did not know exactly what they were looking at. But with time, the tuner thing became mainstreame with the youth. Once this happened the "bad apples" got out of control way to many times and the cops started bassically hunting them down, whether they were the good guys or not. The shows and events started closing too. They were and still are stereotyped into one bad group, even though there are more good people than bad within that sceene. Well, my point is, diesel performance is getting pretty mainstream now. So if the diesel sceene continues on its current path, the same one as the tuner crowd did, you all will constantly be looking over your shoulder for the boys in blue, while watching your shows and events crumble. Unfortunitly even the good guys. History always repeats itself and I'm just watching it happen is all.

 

i know exactly what you mean all of the guys that live near me with souped up diesels ride around like their big and bad. a have a diesel thats souped up but the only time i will smoke up the road is if some jack a$$ runs a red light or something. i hate those diesel owners that smoke innocent people. the only time i do that is if its one of my buddies. ahhh i love that.

 

Really? You didnt think your rant would upset anyone?

This is what I got from your post: You saw a handful of diesel owners being disrespectful, a-holes etc. So because of them we all look bad because we use the same pump as them.


Yes, yes you are.



You might not go looking for them, but thats what you see.

I dont get how everyone with a Diesel is in a "scene" now?

Your always going to have a few that ruin it for everyone, people tend to only talk about the 1 or 2 guys they saw doing burnouts and what not. They forget about the other thousands of people acting respectable.

We didnt have a choice

Well said.


Define "masses". The only time Ive been put into a "scene" and bashed for driving/owning a diesel, was right here, by you. You cant come on here and not expect to get a response from people who want to defend themselves.

 

Your always going to have a few that ruin it for everyone, people tend to only talk about the 1 or 2 guys they saw doing burnouts and what not. They forget about the other thousands of people acting respectable.


I have learned in the motel world....

Do something good and someone will tell one person but do something wrong and they will tell 20 people. The good deed or service provided will get lost but the bad will be forever held in the trickle down effect.

I think his point is that all the ones he saw goofing and being mugwumps were diesel drivers. So from his stand point diesel drivers are pretty much doofs. I am the same way when I go to hunter/jumper shows with Holland. The rich kids are the ones we see showing off, being rude and crude, and behave like everyone owes them. So in our eyes they are "the bad seeds" yes there are good ones but the ones in OUR experience are witches so we just automatically expect it and have to really give ourselves an attitude adjustment because by judging them all as one we are open to judgment for not seeing that there are good ones too.

It is sad that we are like that but unfortunately that is how most are wired. Maybe the OP needs to look beyond the smoke, the donut marks and look at more of what is going on around him at events. There is a chemical in diesel smoke that makes some think they are smarter, some think they are sexier so maybe just maybe the same chemical can have opposite affect and make them act really stupid? I dunno just grasping.

If you see a negative look for two positives.

 

Here's the issue as I see it.....

Any group of people that gather, bring a set of values with them. If someone is acting disrespectfull, etc., if the group does nothing but watch the event, they are condoning it.

I laughingly joke when i say this but my dad was fonzie (not the actor)! He built engines (in the 1940's/50's in Los Angeles near Thunder Road) and raced Lion's Drag, El Mirage, etc. To this day when we go to cruize nites, etc., The senior car guys are the first to confront ANYONE who is even thinking about doing something- even when they see a cooler being brought, they as a group (5-10 persons) will politely & descretely inquire as to what is in the cooler to verify the absence of alcohol (as an example). While a wheel chirp can occur when leaving the parking lot (by accident or purpose), burnouts will onlt happen once- and the driver is spoken with perferably befor the next gathering otherwise when they pull in the lot, the conversation is polite but direct. The burger stand owner is very supportive as well. we know that one can ruin it for all.

One of the locations where "Peer Presence" is at work is at Bob's Big Boy in Burbank, Ca. 30 years of cruize nites with 150-500 cars showing- never a threat or misconduct to worry about. The atmosphere of no-tolerance is well known and keeps the idiots away- if not, they will be handled quickly even if that means calling the cops while the peer group keeps things under control until their arrival.