egr delete questions
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From: Rving all over
EGR and Professional talk
I think that the main problem we the "newbie" have is to understand the professional language you the experts use.
I can see that many of you really know and understand the subject and I respect it very much but for me it is like listening to 2 doctors speaking.
If one says "do the ERG" , does it mean -replace ERG,Upgrade ERG,Clean ERG or what?
I RV already 9 years and know a lot about 5W ,and RVing, when I answer a post on RV forum I try to spell it out for any one that asked a question,then I read my post and look at it with a newbie eyes to see if it is understandable.
So PLEASE explain to me what to do with my stock ERG.
Thank you.
I can see that many of you really know and understand the subject and I respect it very much but for me it is like listening to 2 doctors speaking.
If one says "do the ERG" , does it mean -replace ERG,Upgrade ERG,Clean ERG or what?
I RV already 9 years and know a lot about 5W ,and RVing, when I answer a post on RV forum I try to spell it out for any one that asked a question,then I read my post and look at it with a newbie eyes to see if it is understandable.
So PLEASE explain to me what to do with my stock ERG.
Thank you.
Post Fiend
Joined: Oct 2009
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From: N. Fort Worth, tx
the warrenty issue is has so many varibles there is noone that can awnser that. It depends on what goes wrong with the truck. But I would say that an egr delete will cause you some issues with warrenty. 2006 model year truck would require the use of a programer to disable the egr vlave. The use of a programer and a modified egr system will get you.
Now Im sure someone will say that Ford has to prove that the item caused the failer... thats only partly true. All they have to prove is it was a contrubiting factor not the sole cause.
I have had this fight so many times with customers and in the end we just expain how unhappy the epa will be and offer to provide the vin and owner info to them.
And yes you can fight it and you may be able to win but ford has a lot of laywers
Now Im sure someone will say that Ford has to prove that the item caused the failer... thats only partly true. All they have to prove is it was a contrubiting factor not the sole cause.
I have had this fight so many times with customers and in the end we just expain how unhappy the epa will be and offer to provide the vin and owner info to them.
And yes you can fight it and you may be able to win but ford has a lot of laywers
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From: Mattawa Washington.
I think that the main problem we the "newbie" have is to understand the professional language you the experts use.
I can see that many of you really know and understand the subject and I respect it very much but for me it is like listening to 2 doctors speaking.
If one says "do the ERG" , does it mean -replace ERG,Upgrade ERG,Clean ERG or what?
I RV already 9 years and know a lot about 5W ,and RVing, when I answer a post on RV forum I try to spell it out for any one that asked a question,then I read my post and look at it with a newbie eyes to see if it is understandable.
So PLEASE explain to me what to do with my stock ERG.
Thank you.
I can see that many of you really know and understand the subject and I respect it very much but for me it is like listening to 2 doctors speaking.
If one says "do the ERG" , does it mean -replace ERG,Upgrade ERG,Clean ERG or what?
I RV already 9 years and know a lot about 5W ,and RVing, when I answer a post on RV forum I try to spell it out for any one that asked a question,then I read my post and look at it with a newbie eyes to see if it is understandable.
So PLEASE explain to me what to do with my stock ERG.
Thank you.
I personally unhooked my egr (exhaust gas recirculation valve) for about 3 weeks and found my motor would surge at idle and while cruising at hiway speeds by 50 to 100 rpm's. I hooked it back up and I am satisfied with how the truck runs stock.
With that said I am still contemplating a spartan tune just for extra power and to boost my ego, but not untill I install gauges to get some base figures,to compare to the changes of the tuner.Doug.
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Joined: Jan 2007
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From: Bountiful, Utah
If you want the warranty, I installed the sneaky turbo up-pipe with the blocker plate form elite diesel. I had no issues with any warranty issues ever. Made with genuine Ford parts with the up-scoop missing. Check this out 6.0L EGR Components
Now I modified the factory up-pipe and did a full delete.
Now my truck's fan rarely comes on, before it ran all the time in the summer (always had a heating issue).
EGT's are lower, MPG increased and fun to drive went threw the roof.
Now I modified the factory up-pipe and did a full delete.
Now my truck's fan rarely comes on, before it ran all the time in the summer (always had a heating issue).
EGT's are lower, MPG increased and fun to drive went threw the roof.
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Joined: Aug 2003
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From: Québec
Can you just kleen the Egr once in a while? How long does it take? Is there some people that never had a problem with the EGR.
My truck is warranty for another 2 years, should I buy an extended warranty to cover that )*&%/)_ egr?
My truck is warranty for another 2 years, should I buy an extended warranty to cover that )*&%/)_ egr?
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From: waynesville, mo.
Lets say just for the sake of arguement, that the egr system wont cause any problems when working properly. If theres an issue that causes the cooler and valve to fail, won't just deleting the system fix the symptom and not repair the problem?
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Post Fiend
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From: N. Fort Worth, tx
sorry dcoy but that will only fix what is currently wrong. It will do nothing to cure the problem that caused the failer. failer to address the issue will result in continued puking out of the degas and an engine that runs to hot.
also deleteing any part will require a change in programing to make the truck operate correctly.
the bigist cause is going to be lack of cooling system maintance. Theres only one thing that will cure that and thats going to be owner education.
also deleteing any part will require a change in programing to make the truck operate correctly.
the bigist cause is going to be lack of cooling system maintance. Theres only one thing that will cure that and thats going to be owner education.
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I love this debate but for those of you "IN NEED NOW" do a full EGR Valve and EGR Cooler delete with SCT custom tune from Eric.
To put it in perspective.... The masterr ford tech is obviously really informed and more experienced than those of us who don't do this for a living. SO IS MY DOCTOR !!! If you have a cancer you have it removed. You don't like it, your Dr. doesn't like it but it is the lesser of two evils.
The EGR cooler is a FORD CANCER. The engineers didn't just do it to screw us, the regulations by our brilliant government. CUT THE EGR/CANCER out !!!
If you do decide to be proactive, do it right. Blocking the EGR leaves the cooler in the loop. Do a full EGR cooler delete. I personally chose one of the more expensive and went with an entire EGR delete manifold.
Now.... "Back to the experts" who know all the technicals. I am just a dumb engineer who enjoys working on my own truck. But, all the garbage they made me learn left a little room for my common sense
To put it in perspective.... The masterr ford tech is obviously really informed and more experienced than those of us who don't do this for a living. SO IS MY DOCTOR !!! If you have a cancer you have it removed. You don't like it, your Dr. doesn't like it but it is the lesser of two evils.
The EGR cooler is a FORD CANCER. The engineers didn't just do it to screw us, the regulations by our brilliant government. CUT THE EGR/CANCER out !!!
If you do decide to be proactive, do it right. Blocking the EGR leaves the cooler in the loop. Do a full EGR cooler delete. I personally chose one of the more expensive and went with an entire EGR delete manifold.
Now.... "Back to the experts" who know all the technicals. I am just a dumb engineer who enjoys working on my own truck. But, all the garbage they made me learn left a little room for my common sense
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i am just a back yard mechanic and it makes perfectly good sense to me to delete the egr putting dirty air from the exhaust at 900 plus degrees f makes no sense it goes against trying to cool the air your forcing in with the turbo also that hot exhaust running through the egr cooler makes no sense you would need more radiator to keep this silly confiuration cooled
Post Fiend
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From: N. Fort Worth, tx
well I wount argue that point.
noone has said not to delete the egr system. I will say that as an engineer you should be able to figure out a little bit about what is causing the concern. after all Im not the collage grad here.
Do some looking around at cooling systems and checmical dropout that happens. Once you begain to grasp that you will see and understand the biggist issues.
If you go in and all you replace or delete is the egr cooler you will have other issues and left unresolved will continue to eat away at your pocket.
There is a thread about vc9 you should read that as well. you should also be looking at the relationship of eot vs ect and it will all come together.
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I will take your advice and try and become more informed. Thanks because I will take all the good info I have time to research.
When I don't know all the details I revert to common sense.
Being an 'college grad' only means you have the capacity to learn, not that you know everything LOL. Most politicians are 'college grads' and look where they have gotten us !!!!
This is one of the best threads I have seen. Lots of expert info and lots of head scratching so... THANKS
Sorry, just wanted to give my respect the debate.
When I don't know all the details I revert to common sense.
Being an 'college grad' only means you have the capacity to learn, not that you know everything LOL. Most politicians are 'college grads' and look where they have gotten us !!!!
This is one of the best threads I have seen. Lots of expert info and lots of head scratching so... THANKS
Sorry, just wanted to give my respect the debate.