well, we have been comparing his 1/2 ton to his 3/4 ton because he has been driving a 3/4 ton and wanted to know how his new 09 1/2 ton would compare to it when towing(this was before he actually got the truck). several of the 09 owners were saying his 1/2 ton is the equivalent of his old 3/4 ton, it had more power than his 460, would pull circles around his 460 any way he wanted to compare them, could pull 10k lbs in 5th gear, etc. ive been calling BS on it and saying that i dont care what kind of peak hp it has, whether it has a 4 speed, 5 speed, 6 speed, or whatever speed, it wont pull with the 460. plain and simple. now that he has both trucks and has towed with them i think he knows the answer. which he has stated very clearly about 100 times, even though some people still dont believe him. they just cant fathom the fact that theres something out there that will out pull their 5.4. 5.4 vs 5.8 is a much better comparison, but the man has a 460 and was buying a 5.4, so 460 vs 5.4 is a very relavent comparison for HIM.

the 150 is a great truck and will get twice the gas mileage as his 460 when unloaded, will have a much smoother ride, etc. but what most 1/2 owners dont realize is that the more weight you put on a 3/4 ton the smoother the ride gets. and then on top of that, the 460 doesnt have to work as hard to pull the weight as the 5.4 does, so it has a much smaller decrease in mpg than the 5.4. with as light as a trailer as he is pulling, the mpg's between his 460 and 5.4 are almost even. put another 5k on them and his 5.4 will be in the low 8's while his 460 is still in double digits. the 150(and 5.4) is the better truck for daily driving and LIGHT towing, whereas his 3/4 ton wins any contest with any decent amount of weight on it hands down.

 

thank you. i do quite a bit of towing and have done it with many different types of trucks in many different parts of the country, so i try help others when i can. im usually not as big of an a$$ as ive been in this thread.... but when i try to share knowledge about two engines that ive put through the wringers and i get told i dont know what im talking about, that i have no knowledge what so ever about trucks, get sent personal emails telling me im ignorant and need to leave their forum because i disagree with them, then yeah, im going to gloat a little when the guy with the trucks proves me right so i apologize if ive p*ssed off any one other than the ones i was intending to.

and to peter, cant wait to hear about your trip to boone. i went to appy state and spent quite a bit of time there. make sure you head out to blowing rock too, theres some good sight seeing out there.

 

I hope that after ready some of the threads of this nature that some of the guys that are looking at buying the new 150 to replace a 250 or even 350 realize that the 150 may do what they ask it to but it most likely is not going to be as at home doing it as their bigger truck was. I used a 02 F150 4.2L 5spd to do very similiar work I use my 08 5.4L auto 4x4 to do (I know a little reverse of this thread). The 02 would do most of it, I just didn't get there as quick and the truck was wore out before it hit 100K. Honestly from time to time when I'm climbing a pretty good hill with my 5k# tractor on a trailer behind me I wish I had a F250 with a V10 (not that the F150 wont do it). Live and learn I guess.

peter congrats on the new truck!

 

[quote=phillips91;7703062]thank you. i do quite a bit of towing and have done it with many different types of trucks in many different parts of the country, so i try help others when i can. im usually not as big of an a$$ as ive been in this thread.... but when i try to share knowledge about two engines that ive put through the wringers and i get told i dont know what im talking about, that i have no knowledge what so ever about trucks, get sent personal emails telling me im ignorant and need to leave their forum because i disagree with them, then yeah, im going to gloat a little when the guy with the trucks proves me right so i apologize if ive p*ssed off any one other than the ones i was intending to. quote]

Hey don't get me wrong I don't post on here very much just thought I would through my .02 in on this one. I use this forum mostly to get insight from guys like you who have more experience than myself.

 

20% better fuel economy is no joke. Can I get 20% of my gas bill for the year please.

 

i actually started browsing this section of the forum because at one time i was interested in the new 150. i get paid by the mile when i drive for work, so when i heard it would run on ethanol it got me interested. make some home brew, mix it with gas, get paid more per mile, and basically the company would be paying for my truck and then some. then i started seeing posts with guys saying it would haul more payload than a 250, out pull every diesel and gas engine ever made except for the 3v v10, etc. so i had to throw my 2 cents in there as well......

 

getting to set the cruise and kick back and enjoy the 400 mile trip without downshifting one time is no joke either. knowing im not overworking my truck and prematurely wearing parts out is will worth the 20%. since the 09 f150 is rated to tow 11,300 lbs and he is already down to 12 mpg at 6k lbs, what kind of mileage do you think he would get with 11,300 lbs strapped to it? and since he said it struggled with 6k and had to run 4k rpm in 3rd gear to maintain speed how fun of a trip do you think he would have had with 11,300 lbs? he may not tow a trailer that big, but lots of us on here do. hook to it sometime and head to some mountains and then tell me your results.

 

BS3000 & Tylus

Tell me how this could this happen! Please provide more facts...

BTW Peter hope you enjoy that new truck... We had an '88 F250 with a 460 and it was a brute for pulling trailers... Couldn't pass a gas station though.

 

honestly, if he keeps his 460, i think once the new wears off his f150 he will be in the same boat i am with my 5.4. i used to tow everything with my 5.4 because it was brand new, still had that new car smell, and i was happy to have a new toy, etc. but then once the new wore off i remembered that when towing i liked performance over new, so i havent hooked a trailer to it in close to 3 years. mine is nothing but a grocery getter now.

 

Hey phillip... Same here, I was hoping to be able to purchase the diesel that was suppose to be released in these new F150's but I guess I'll just have to wait. This could have been the engine that could have put the F150 close to F250 territory.

There's no way...Noooo Way I'll buy another 5.4 F150 again!

 

Thanks again, Glad to see someone agrees with me. I've been driving and towing things almost 30 years. Like I said before, I guess my expectations were too high but I'm still happy with it and no regrets on its purchase. It will do everything I want and BTW I'm keeping my F250. A 93 with only 65k, perfect body and, running gear is still a awesome thing to have!

Just think of the debate if I would've talked about my 73 F100 with the 240 I6 and 3sp on the coloum......... 70mph was max but if you could tie it to it, it'd move it.

 

WOW!! Has already crossed my mind.... for "normal" driving and trips I like to drive my Lincoln.

The F250 was washed and waxed today. It still has its place under my Tractor Shelter

 

I live at 6200 in the so cal. mountains my Toy box only weights 7k and I can tell you it does not struggle to climb from 1,000 to 6,200 the way the OP said his truck does. Yes it will down shift but it climbs the hill at about 3k rpms at 45 miles per hour. If I had to guess getting about 10 mpg. Strap the old 460 sled on there and you will find that hill to be just as much a struggle and the mpg would be laughable. My friend has a 460 and driving the mountain commute he gets 9 mpg's with 33's. I have averaged low 14's with the stock 20's (31's I think) As the technology advances so do the trucks. Compare a 09' SD to a 99' SD. At some point a half ton truck will be able to accomplish the work of an older 3/4 ton. By the way my truck rides a million times better then my friends brick. Thats how it rides. My truck is not rated for 11,300 it is rated at I believe 9600 or 9700 its the screw fx4. If I towed something bigger it would have bought the SD but I don't so had no need for it.

By the way put 35 - 65 pound retaining wall blocks in the truck this afternoon and made the drive up the 5000 ft climb didn't even notice it was back there. Except for the better ride. Yes thats twice the payload.

 

FWIW, the constant shifting is probably because of the fairly low speed. Had you been going 65-70, then it probably would have never gone below 4th, and kicked out of 6th a lot less. Going 55 is way below the engine's powerband.

 

TO CORRECT YOU!!!!

I never said it was a struggle! I said, I don't like the fact of it shifting alot nor the 4k RPM.