phillips, if someone does structural analysis, are they only limited to working for ford? the answer is no. And just to be clear, no, I do not design any part in any manner that is used by Ford in any way in their final product.

No power windows? Darn.

Well, it's true not all Ford does is without problems. But industry wide, it's better. Other manufacturers have a better approach at new technologies.

Each new generation of Ford truck has to be better than it's predecessor. Why else would make them? Competition leap frogs them. And if they don't make them better, why would someone buy them?

Again, I don't keep my trucks for a long time. Some other owner has to worry about repairs or other maintenance.

The replies have been way too long. I guess we'll agree on some things, and disagree on others.

 

i think he means the stuff like when i brought up full floaters. obviously you didnt know what they were. but instead of asking what the difference is you come up with a smart a$$ answer, oh, did ford invent some magic sky hook that keeps the weight off the axles? theres a lot of knowledgeable people in this forum and sometimes it doesnt hurt to ask about something you dont know. just because they dont own the exact same truck that you have doesnt mean that their years of experience with other vehicles wont translate over to yours.

 

So true and point taken.

Sent you an pm.

 

BOT, I apologize for getting so defensive. I just get that way sometimes. It seems I am always defending my truck. It should have only went this far if you had a Chevy, or even worse a Dodge haha. If we are going to argue it should at least be in person not on a forum, thats lame. Im up for a normal discussion if you are.

 

nnero, please don't take anything I wrote to hart. It's only opinions, sometimes wrong opinion and sometimes purposely chosen to evoke emotion.

 

sometimes the replacement is better than what it replaced and sometimes it isnt. would you argue that a mustang II is better than a 69 mach 1? a lot of the changes now are being made because of emissions and are actually hurting a vehicles performance and durability. ask the 6.0 and 6.4 guys how much they like the egr valves, dpf, poor mpg for the sake of cleaner exhaust, getting 3 new head gaskets by 80k miles, etc. would you argue that the 8.8 inch rear end was better than the 9 inch that it replaced?

there are many improvements on the newer f150's that make them better than the previous f150's, even though most of them have maintained the same payload over the years. stronger frame, bigger rear end, more powerful engine(in stock form), better gas mileage to go along with the more power, 6 speed auto vs 4 speed auto, etc. all those changes help the current f150 last longer doing the same job as the previous generation of f150's, but none of those things put it on the same level as an f250. even an older generation one. unless you go back to the 50's or 60's.....

case in point, my f150 has a payload of around 1700 lbs and some of the current f150s have a payload of 1700 lbs. both of us can legally stay within our payload and tow a 10k lb bumper pull trailer, but which one do you think will do a better job of pulling it and last longer in the process? its the same thing for that heavy duty f150 with the 3k lb payload. it may be close to an f250, but the results arent going to be the same.

 

theres no hard feelings on my side and nothing was taken personally. i enjoy debating with people about trucks both past and present. no one was name calling or anything like that, although i did about spit my drink out when i read nneros comment about the tampon dispenser lol. ok, so maybe he did resort to name calling when he called you a b*tch but other than that no one was name calling lol.

i appreciate all the new technology thats out today, but i also dont take for granted what came before it. i rebuild a lot of engines and older cars, and theres something to be said for being able to pull an engine out of a car and only having to unhook one wire. this past weekend i had the engine, tranny, drive shaft, rear end and steering column out of one of my mustangs in less time than it took me to unhook all the wires and emissions crap on the other one.

 

Yeah, sorry about the name calling. I couldnt pass up the tampon comment when I came up with it haha. I just like my trucks simple: manual tranny, manual locking hubs, vinyl floor covering, simple interiors etc. For new trucks this leads me to the Super Duty, which is really more truck than I need. And I like to be able to drive my truck through the woods and get in with muddy boots and not feel like im ruining it. I probably should have said this the first time haha.

 

Well, it looks like there's been a big pissing contest while I've been away, so I'll add my 2cents.

Motor to motor or truck to truck, I think the 5.4 vs 460 comparison is crazy, end of story. One's a great daily driver that can tow loads within its limits just fine, and the other is an absolute beast that has a drinking problem.


However, I think the statement that "the 1/2 tons of today are as capable as the 3/4 tons of yesterday" is an accurate statement when taken in the proper context. Most 3/4 ton trucks in the past didn't have a big block or a diesel. Most Fords had the 351 and Chevies had the 350. The towing capabilities and/or ratings of these trucks are easily matched or beat by properly equipped new 1/2 tons. Even the payload can be matched. ChrisAnchor's '09 has a payload capacity of over 2k. So, if you compare to the most common OBS 3/4 ton (which came with a small block V8), then yeah, the 1/2 ton of today is just as capable or even more so.

 

Amen. I feel like I ran in marathon thru torrential rains. I'm all done on this thread.

 

thats how both of my 250s are. xl, no carpet, hand crank windows, manual hubs, manual trannys, etc. carpet is prettier, but it wears out faster, it gets dirty and its harder to clean. i like being able to hose mine out and having it look brand new. and not have to worry about whether im going to get it dirty or not. although i have thought putting in a set of auto hubs when ive had to get out in the mud to lock them in..... im not a fan of push button 4 wheel drive though.

 

i agree on some points. some points i still disagree with. the disagreement part first. like i said before, equal payload doesnt always equal the same long term (or even short term) results. due to the reasons i listed before, which there is no need for me to repeat. whether its a 460, 7.3 or 5.8, the OBS f250 has a stronger frame, springs, rear end, brakes, etc. the truck itself will handle the weight better. agreement part, id take a stock 5.4 over a stock 5.8 any day of the week and the 09 with the 5.4 will struggle less going up a hill than the 5.8, whether its a 150 or a 250.

 

No doubt the rear end is a stronger piece. Probably the springs too, except maybe an '09 with the heavy payload package may be close. Not so sure about the frame and brakes though.

 

i havent looked at the brakes on an 09, so i cant say for sure on their size. but my 97 and my 2000 have have the same size pads. different part number, but the same size. my bronco and obs f150 have pads that are much less than half the size of my 250's. i couldnt imagine the 150 having the same size brakes as the super duty though. i may be wrong though. but if peter is interested in doing some comparisons for us he has the trucks right there in his driveway. hint hint

 

So we have all come to the conclusion that the frame on an F-150 is different than the frame on an F-250?