july chat thread
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Hey Stosh, you might know the answer to this better than google does...
What are the chances of my 85 f250 having a 351 cleveland instead of a windsor in it?
i ran into the PO today, and made the mistake of saying windsor instead of cleveland...
did the factory supply these trucks with a 351C, or with the 351W.
and how could I tell the difference between the two.
What are the chances of my 85 f250 having a 351 cleveland instead of a windsor in it?
i ran into the PO today, and made the mistake of saying windsor instead of cleveland...
did the factory supply these trucks with a 351C, or with the 351W.
and how could I tell the difference between the two.
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From: Blue Eye, mo. hwy 86 & JJ
he's askin 2500 for the car, the 302 in it and the 'built' 351W comes with it, i'm thinkin about throwin about 1000 his way seeing what he thinks.
i think its worth WAY more than that but thats about all i could get in a decent ammount of time... also i dont think i want it if its an auto, rather have a 4 or a 5 speed... what did these mostly come with? i've always loved the chevelles especially early 70s generation... from what i've heard (to be honest only because of the movie Gran Torino) its ford's equivalent of the chevelle, bigger than a mustang but smaller than a galaxy, where as the chevelle is bigger than the camaro but smaller than the impala?
correct so far? what else should i know about it? i'm trying to do my homework before i even look at it because i've fallen in love with it!
-EDIT:
saw the cleveland Vs winsor question
ford did not put a cleveland in any of the f series trucks, (except perhaps for australlia) but people putting clevelands in and taking the winsors out is very common. you'd have to get a big block bellhousing and different motor mounts, but it would slide right in
thats what she said! i couldent resist!
i think its worth WAY more than that but thats about all i could get in a decent ammount of time... also i dont think i want it if its an auto, rather have a 4 or a 5 speed... what did these mostly come with? i've always loved the chevelles especially early 70s generation... from what i've heard (to be honest only because of the movie Gran Torino) its ford's equivalent of the chevelle, bigger than a mustang but smaller than a galaxy, where as the chevelle is bigger than the camaro but smaller than the impala?
correct so far? what else should i know about it? i'm trying to do my homework before i even look at it because i've fallen in love with it!
-EDIT:
saw the cleveland Vs winsor question
ford did not put a cleveland in any of the f series trucks, (except perhaps for australlia) but people putting clevelands in and taking the winsors out is very common. you'd have to get a big block bellhousing and different motor mounts, but it would slide right in
thats what she said! i couldent resist!
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saw the cleveland Vs winsor question
ford did not put a cleveland in any of the f series trucks, (except perhaps for australlia) but people putting clevelands in and taking the winsors out is very common. you'd have to get a big block bellhousing and different motor mounts, but it would slide right in
thats what she said! i couldent resist!
ford did not put a cleveland in any of the f series trucks, (except perhaps for australlia) but people putting clevelands in and taking the winsors out is very common. you'd have to get a big block bellhousing and different motor mounts, but it would slide right in
thats what she said! i couldent resist!
dork hahahahahahahahhaha
Thanks for the info. i'm the 3rd owner of this truck. the first owner was quite mechanically smart, while the dude before me was and still is a complete idiot haha
are there any major differences between the engines? intake, accessory belts, that kind of stuff?
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From: Blue Eye, mo. hwy 86 & JJ
thanks 4caster!
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Here you go:
351 Windsor
5-bolt straight valve covers
radiator hose to the intake manifold
5/8" spark plugs
351 Cleveland
8 bolt 2-plane valve covers
radiator hose does not connect to intake
14mm spark plugs
351 Windsor
5-bolt straight valve covers
radiator hose to the intake manifold
5/8" spark plugs
351 Cleveland
8 bolt 2-plane valve covers
radiator hose does not connect to intake
14mm spark plugs
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one valve cover has 6 bolts, and the other 5.
it is a windsor though, the radiator hose does connect to the intake manifold, and i have the 5/8" plugs.
But i am going to call him up and ask why one of my valve covers has an extra bolt, and one bolt snapped off into the head
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From: patricia ab canada
hey stosh play this when somebody gives you a negative rep points
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZlDZPYzfm4
should give you a good laugh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZlDZPYzfm4
should give you a good laugh
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How the hell were you able to embed YouTube?
I've tried this several times and the [youtube] tags don't work......
Lets try this: My favorite band from Long Island - Borgo Pass
Don't mind the lame video, it's all about the riffs!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHECo5GfaEg
Wow. It works!
I've tried this several times and the [youtube] tags don't work......
Lets try this: My favorite band from Long Island - Borgo Pass
Don't mind the lame video, it's all about the riffs!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHECo5GfaEg
Wow. It works!
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351C has a smallblock bolt pattern, no need for the big block bellhousing.
I'd go a 351C over a wheezer any day!
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edit:
nevermind
stupid moment hahah (didn't read what you or the other person had written)
do you have a picture of your engine I could look at, valve covers, intake, etc.
would me much appreciated.
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I believe the Windsors & 302s have 6-bolt valve covers, not 5. The only Ford
engines that use 5-bolt covers that I'm aware of belong to the FE series
(360/390/427/etc). Yes, the 335-series blocks (351C/351M/400) use 8-bolt valve
covers, and they also utilize an exhaust crossover in the intake manifold, not a
coolant crossover (hence the thermostat going into the block, not intake
manifold).
Another easy ID method - all 335-series engines use the same fuel pump with
the bolts vertically opposing each other, not horizontally.
In my opinion, the 4V Cleveland (especially 1970 version; my mom had one,
and it's one of the cars I learned to drive a stick in as a kid)) is a GREAT
high-RPM screamer that has no place in a truck where low-end torque is the
primary need. The 2V Cleveland needs to be converted to a 4V variant (which
means 4V heads, too (preferably the Aussie variant) and not merely the intake
manifold & carb).
Just my opinion.
engines that use 5-bolt covers that I'm aware of belong to the FE series
(360/390/427/etc). Yes, the 335-series blocks (351C/351M/400) use 8-bolt valve
covers, and they also utilize an exhaust crossover in the intake manifold, not a
coolant crossover (hence the thermostat going into the block, not intake
manifold).
Another easy ID method - all 335-series engines use the same fuel pump with
the bolts vertically opposing each other, not horizontally.
In my opinion, the 4V Cleveland (especially 1970 version; my mom had one,
and it's one of the cars I learned to drive a stick in as a kid)) is a GREAT
high-RPM screamer that has no place in a truck where low-end torque is the
primary need. The 2V Cleveland needs to be converted to a 4V variant (which
means 4V heads, too (preferably the Aussie variant) and not merely the intake
manifold & carb).
Just my opinion.