Tipping is not Required..............
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Stu I didn't mean to get snarly, my point was just that I think the practice of subsidizing restaurant owners by tipping instead of them being required to actually pay at least min wage is not only wrong, but it takes away the entire premise of a gratuity. A gratuity SHOULD be a little extra as a way of saying thank you, it should NOT be part of your wage so the restaurant owner can pocket more money.
I find myself looking for the independant restaurant these days.
Tim
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what you dont seem to get is that the minimum to not get fired would be great customer service.
You've clearly never worked for anyone, or you just don't pay attention to the other workers at whatever jobs you've held. It is (unfortunately) the way it is in the working world. "It's not my job" is tossed out whenever someone is asked to do anythig that is not clearly defined in their job description. You say you worked at In n Out Burgers (incredible burger joint, BTW). Surely there were some employees that did not go the extra mile but were efficient enough to keep their job. Surely the owners of the chain weren't expecting everyone to be bubbly all the time and they have to expect that some will strive for excellence while others will strive to not get fired.
not much more? that could mean anything.
I have never waited tables, but I know that I would be great at it, because I would be hustling from table to table making their dining experience worth the money they are spending. Is it the waiters job to wait on the customer hand and foot? Or does his job description say "take customer water," "Deliver food," "go back in 2 minutes, or just after customer takes a bite and ask if everything is ok." "Offer dessert." "Take check." Or does a waiter's job description say "wait on customer hand and foot, fullfill their every need and be there at the exact moment they need something?" They would have to have a waiter for every table and your bill would be astronomical. Realistically, any job is going to have those that do the bare minimum to keep their job, why would waiting tables be any different?
and i can promise you that those girls are not working for tips. it is a pre decided amount, do they get tips i would think but i know they make enough with out tips. many hair style/cut places is the same way you have to pay for rent of the chair.
You've clearly never worked for anyone, or you just don't pay attention to the other workers at whatever jobs you've held. It is (unfortunately) the way it is in the working world. "It's not my job" is tossed out whenever someone is asked to do anythig that is not clearly defined in their job description. You say you worked at In n Out Burgers (incredible burger joint, BTW). Surely there were some employees that did not go the extra mile but were efficient enough to keep their job. Surely the owners of the chain weren't expecting everyone to be bubbly all the time and they have to expect that some will strive for excellence while others will strive to not get fired.
not much more? that could mean anything.
I have never waited tables, but I know that I would be great at it, because I would be hustling from table to table making their dining experience worth the money they are spending. Is it the waiters job to wait on the customer hand and foot? Or does his job description say "take customer water," "Deliver food," "go back in 2 minutes, or just after customer takes a bite and ask if everything is ok." "Offer dessert." "Take check." Or does a waiter's job description say "wait on customer hand and foot, fullfill their every need and be there at the exact moment they need something?" They would have to have a waiter for every table and your bill would be astronomical. Realistically, any job is going to have those that do the bare minimum to keep their job, why would waiting tables be any different?
and i can promise you that those girls are not working for tips. it is a pre decided amount, do they get tips i would think but i know they make enough with out tips. many hair style/cut places is the same way you have to pay for rent of the chair.
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You've clearly never worked for anyone, or you just don't pay attention to the other workers at whatever jobs you've held. It is (unfortunately) the way it is in the working world. "It's not my job" is tossed out whenever someone is asked to do anythig that is not clearly defined in their job description. You say you worked at In n Out Burgers (incredible burger joint, BTW). Surely there were some employees that did not go the extra mile but were efficient enough to keep their job. Surely the owners of the chain weren't expecting everyone to be bubbly all the time and they have to expect that some will strive for excellence while others will strive to not get fired
yes at the jobs i have had there have been people who just wanted to not get fired and if i was the boss i would have fired them.
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If we are talking just pizza delivery, i may, or may not tip the driver.
Really why tip someone for doing their job?
But if they are really fast on the delivery, neatly dressed, polite, and friendly, they usually get 2 or 3 bucks on tip.
If at a restaurant, and my food was fast, good, and the server did his/her job very well, I tip about 20%....If they were not good, or the food just okay, or the attitude of the server was not good, I tip zero.
I don't expect tips for doing my job, nor does my wife, or my friends, so why should I really feel obligated to tip others for doing their job.
Really why tip someone for doing their job?
But if they are really fast on the delivery, neatly dressed, polite, and friendly, they usually get 2 or 3 bucks on tip.
If at a restaurant, and my food was fast, good, and the server did his/her job very well, I tip about 20%....If they were not good, or the food just okay, or the attitude of the server was not good, I tip zero.
I don't expect tips for doing my job, nor does my wife, or my friends, so why should I really feel obligated to tip others for doing their job.
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Thank you for conceding my point. I agree with you that a good manager does more than manage, they lead.
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Oh and for places that just decide to add on a TIP charge to your bill.
At least where I live, you can simply refuse to pay it.
It is against the law to add charges to a bill that are not already in the original price, except for governemnt collected taxes.
I actually was out with a group of guys a few summers ago, on a motorbike ride.
We stopped to eat, and the service sucked.....The B...ch had the audacity to add a 20% tip to our bill, so we sat and took the tip back off, and paid just for our food and walked out.
She came to the parking lot to argue with us....About 5 of us were carrying our business cards, and we handed them to her.
Told her here is our cards to have the cops contact us if we broke the law.
Never did get that phone call from the police.....Oh ya, one of the gals riding with us that handed her a business card was a lawyer.
At least where I live, you can simply refuse to pay it.
It is against the law to add charges to a bill that are not already in the original price, except for governemnt collected taxes.
I actually was out with a group of guys a few summers ago, on a motorbike ride.
We stopped to eat, and the service sucked.....The B...ch had the audacity to add a 20% tip to our bill, so we sat and took the tip back off, and paid just for our food and walked out.
She came to the parking lot to argue with us....About 5 of us were carrying our business cards, and we handed them to her.
Told her here is our cards to have the cops contact us if we broke the law.
Never did get that phone call from the police.....Oh ya, one of the gals riding with us that handed her a business card was a lawyer.
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I suppose it's his job to keep the room clean and tidy, but I've been in some that were nasty but still had the attendant standing there with his hand out...
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As it should be.
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related question...
do you guys tip cab drivers? how about the guy at a hotel who brings your bags to your room?
I once told a cab driver he'd get a 10 dollar tip if I made my train, We had a few cuty miles to go in about 10 minutes, Scariest ride of my life, drove on the sidewalk, through redlights, Made my train
do you guys tip cab drivers? how about the guy at a hotel who brings your bags to your room?
I once told a cab driver he'd get a 10 dollar tip if I made my train, We had a few cuty miles to go in about 10 minutes, Scariest ride of my life, drove on the sidewalk, through redlights, Made my train
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The burger joints, etc. routinely offer discounts which I routinely refuse. It's called a gratuity and by our code of ethics, cannot be received or used by any officer. Not saying it doesn't happen, just saying that I refuse any and all discounts.
Same here, if it's caught. I can't remember the exact case and frankly, I'm too tired to look it up now, but there was a ranking officer with a department that was fired over demanding free coffee at a Starbuck's IIRC.
Same here, if it's caught. I can't remember the exact case and frankly, I'm too tired to look it up now, but there was a ranking officer with a department that was fired over demanding free coffee at a Starbuck's IIRC.