Piston Pin Locking Clips
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Laughing Gas
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Piston Pin Locking Clips
Darn.....my new piston set (that I bought years ago from a company now out of business) only came with 8 new locking clips. Need 16 of course.
How bad is it to re-use 8 of the ones that came out?
I've heard not to, but can't think it would hurt very much.
How bad is it to re-use 8 of the ones that came out?
I've heard not to, but can't think it would hurt very much.
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Laughing Gas
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Not sure of dimensions, alhtough I can easily measure them. I know I am cutting a corner... new clips are the best choice....just a pain to get them.....100 mile drive, or mail-order. I'm not sure hardware store variety c-clips are a good idea, so need automotive quality ones.
The old ones I were installed about 10 years ago (new) and the engine has just under 5000 miles on it.
Engine broke a piston (due to timing mark error on slipped damper) and am in process of rebuilding with overbore and new pistons. And "oops", not enough c-clips.
I suppose I wanted to cut corners......as I guess that the majority of engines that get rebuilt without needing to be bored, get the old pistons "with old c-clips" installed. I admit, it's a hard question to answer ...i.e. "what you should do" vs "what I would do" sort of thing.
The old ones I were installed about 10 years ago (new) and the engine has just under 5000 miles on it.
Engine broke a piston (due to timing mark error on slipped damper) and am in process of rebuilding with overbore and new pistons. And "oops", not enough c-clips.
I suppose I wanted to cut corners......as I guess that the majority of engines that get rebuilt without needing to be bored, get the old pistons "with old c-clips" installed. I admit, it's a hard question to answer ...i.e. "what you should do" vs "what I would do" sort of thing.
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I'd replace them. It's wayy too common to have a clip break/fall out and have a pin scuff a cylinder(or blow up). Much cheaper to spend a few bucks and days to do it right.
I don't even use stock clips anymore. Double Spiro Locs only. It's a double pain, but cheap insurance.
I don't even use stock clips anymore. Double Spiro Locs only. It's a double pain, but cheap insurance.
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Laughing Gas
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True. Hey, I found a Ford P/N:
C3AZ-6140-B
and it looks like this may be the same thing:
D6TZ-6140-A
Guess I can try the Ford dealer ..... he should have tons of vintage C3 stuff kicking around.......chuckle.
ps: By the way, I just noticed my 1966 Ford Manual uses the following words with regards to these retainer clips....in 3 seperate places in the manual......."discard", "replace", "insert new"
C3AZ-6140-B
and it looks like this may be the same thing:
D6TZ-6140-A
Guess I can try the Ford dealer ..... he should have tons of vintage C3 stuff kicking around.......chuckle.
ps: By the way, I just noticed my 1966 Ford Manual uses the following words with regards to these retainer clips....in 3 seperate places in the manual......."discard", "replace", "insert new"
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They had the gear. It had a "C8" part number. Yeah, that's right, 1968.
If they don't change it, the part number never changes. If they happened to use that same size clip on newer engines, they'll have them.
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Laughing Gas
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No luck at Ford dealer. Local Machine Shop (where I won't get work done...dont' ask) had 5. Have to be careful....there's another type that looks the same, but is too thin...typically Hardware Store stuff. Still looking locally....at least it's a nice day outside to be drving aorund town.
I was talking to a Ford Parts Rep a few years back. He said if there is sales thoruhgout the year, thewy keep making parts. He gave me the exmple of hood catches for a Model T, whihc are still available. Apparently they are still in demand, although probably not for Model Ts very often.
I was talking to a Ford Parts Rep a few years back. He said if there is sales thoruhgout the year, thewy keep making parts. He gave me the exmple of hood catches for a Model T, whihc are still available. Apparently they are still in demand, although probably not for Model Ts very often.
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No luck at Ford dealer. Local Machine Shop (where I won't get work done...dont' ask) had 5. Have to be careful....there's another type that looks the same, but is too thin...typically Hardware Store stuff. Still looking locally....at least it's a nice day outside to be drving aorund town.
I was talking to a Ford Parts Rep a few years back. He said if there is sales thoruhgout the year, thewy keep making parts. He gave me the exmple of hood catches for a Model T, which are still available.That's a lotta wild mule p!ss...those Model T latches have been obsolete since grandma was a girl. Apparently they are still in demand, although probably not for Model Ts very often.
I was talking to a Ford Parts Rep a few years back. He said if there is sales thoruhgout the year, thewy keep making parts. He gave me the exmple of hood catches for a Model T, which are still available.That's a lotta wild mule p!ss...those Model T latches have been obsolete since grandma was a girl. Apparently they are still in demand, although probably not for Model Ts very often.
GREEN SALES CO. in Cincinnati OH has 508 = 800-543-4959 / 513-731-3304.
PARTS INTERNATIONAL in Farmers Branch TX has 50 = 888-727-0418.
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Krewat: Ford still uses CODZ-A & B speedo gears on new stuff.
The same plastic driven speedo gears have been used since 1960, and fit MILLIONS of Fords.
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Take it easy ND, that Ford rep may have been making it up to make a point, but are you sure? Do you have a P/N for those latches? Anyway, what he said seemed to agree with Krewat's post, so I mentioned it.
Anyway, thanks for the heads up on the clip avialability. I did manage to finally get 8 new ones from the local (ugh) Machine Shop. But I was getting desperate. I was even thinking of trying to buy old stock from the US gov't under NSN 5365-00-145-5047
By the way, can you find me NOS on a C6AE-6007-359J ? I'd even take a C6AE-6007-363S instead.
hehehehehehe............
Seriously, thank-you for the info.
Anyway, thanks for the heads up on the clip avialability. I did manage to finally get 8 new ones from the local (ugh) Machine Shop. But I was getting desperate. I was even thinking of trying to buy old stock from the US gov't under NSN 5365-00-145-5047
By the way, can you find me NOS on a C6AE-6007-359J ? I'd even take a C6AE-6007-363S instead.
hehehehehehe............
Seriously, thank-you for the info.
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