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alright alright. i was proving to my buddy that the new truck could do a nasty burnout, and it did. then i was easing off the brake to walk off from the burnout and hit a bump in the road. well the back end started hoping and as soon as i went to let of the gas the wheels got one more good bite on the road and snap. broke it right at the end of the driveshaft before the u-joint.
Reason I ask is there is a small debate going on on another forum about whether or not the E-locker is an open diff or lsd when not engaged. I assume that if it was burning both tires, there is a pretty good chance that it is not an open diff.
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4200 miles since middle of January. 0 problems so far (knocking on wooden desk).
This story should also further put to rest any questions about whether or not the traction control can be disabled.
Was it turing both tires? or was it a one tire fryer Reason I ask is there is a small debate going on on another forum about whether or not the E-locker is an open diff or lsd when not engaged. I assume that if it was burning both tires, there is a pretty good chance that it is not an open diff.
Reason I ask is there is a small debate going on on another forum about whether or not the E-locker is an open diff or lsd when not engaged. I assume that if it was burning both tires, there is a pretty good chance that it is not an open diff.
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Was it turing both tires? or was it a one tire fryer Reason I ask is there is a small debate going on on another forum about whether or not the E-locker is an open diff or lsd when not engaged. I assume that if it was burning both tires, there is a pretty good chance that it is not an open diff.
Reason I ask is there is a small debate going on on another forum about whether or not the E-locker is an open diff or lsd when not engaged. I assume that if it was burning both tires, there is a pretty good chance that it is not an open diff.i was posting in the in that forum about the elock and ls. some guys just dont understand the difference between an open and ls diffs. the elock doesnt not come into play until the truck is in 4wd and the lock is engaged.
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clicked it into 4wd when i was ready to leave and pulled right out.
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and yes the tc can be disabled. i was at the beach this weekend and decided to bury the *** end of the truck down in the sand. turned off the traction control and down she went. both rear tires burried in the sand.
clicked it into 4wd when i was ready to leave and pulled right out.
clicked it into 4wd when i was ready to leave and pulled right out.
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trust me i have had both on different trucks. i know what im talking about. the fx4's only option is the 3.73 limited slip axle with the elock, which can only be engaged in 4wd.
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277 refers to ESC. 281 refers to the locking diff. it says nothing about open or limited slip. it does say that the eld functions like a standard axle when unlocked. but the limited slip section says that a lsd functions like a standard axle too.
Oh and I'm pretty sure I was doing two wheel snow burnouts a few months ago.
Oh and I'm pretty sure I was doing two wheel snow burnouts a few months ago.
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well i looked up the make of the elocker which is gkn drivelines and on fords web site that its say nothing about a ls in the 09 fx4 with the elocker which im pretty sure that ford would make it known but gkn does say it its locker would work with a ls
but for a fact on my truck i know its not a ls, is when i paint all my brake calibers on my truck and spun the rear wheels to find it a open diff
and also think of the added cost to have a ls and a locker in the same axle doesn't make sence
and a final test jack up your truck rear tires and put it in gear and hit the gas, a limit slip rear will spin the same way and a open will spin different ways
or turn off the tcs while having one tire on pavement one in grass
also a none ls axle can still do a two wheel burn out most of the time as what my 05 ranger would do
but for a fact on my truck i know its not a ls, is when i paint all my brake calibers on my truck and spun the rear wheels to find it a open diff
and also think of the added cost to have a ls and a locker in the same axle doesn't make sence
and a final test jack up your truck rear tires and put it in gear and hit the gas, a limit slip rear will spin the same way and a open will spin different ways
or turn off the tcs while having one tire on pavement one in grass
also a none ls axle can still do a two wheel burn out most of the time as what my 05 ranger would do
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well i looked up the make of the elocker which is gkn drivelines and on fords web site that its say nothing about a ls in the 09 fx4 with the elocker which im pretty sure that ford would make it known but gkn does say it its locker would work with a ls
but for a fact on my truck i know its not a ls, is when i paint all my brake calibers on my truck and spun the rear wheels to find it a open diff
and also think of the added cost to have a ls and a locker in the same axle doesn't make sence
and a final test jack up your truck rear tires and put it in gear and hit the gas, a limit slip rear will spin the same way and a open will spin different ways
or turn off the tcs while having one tire on pavement one in grass
also a none ls axle can still do a two wheel burn out most of the time as what my 05 ranger would do
but for a fact on my truck i know its not a ls, is when i paint all my brake calibers on my truck and spun the rear wheels to find it a open diff
and also think of the added cost to have a ls and a locker in the same axle doesn't make sence
and a final test jack up your truck rear tires and put it in gear and hit the gas, a limit slip rear will spin the same way and a open will spin different ways
or turn off the tcs while having one tire on pavement one in grass
also a none ls axle can still do a two wheel burn out most of the time as what my 05 ranger would do
I put my two front wheels up against the curb while there was snow on the ground. I turned off the traction control and floored it. I had rooster tails from both sides. If that isn't a limited slip then what is? Unless my locker is stuck on locked.
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Technically, an open diff can spin both tires simultaneously. This should occur when the amount of traction at both rear tires is equal. In practice, however, this is almost never the case. But, I have seen some open diff trucks spin both tires, usually on loose surfaces like snow and gravel. Usually, this would only last a second before all the power transferred to one tire.
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The max tow package requires a 3.73 Limited Slip, and is an option on an FX4 without changing the diff. That says to me that the FX4 only comes with a 3.73LS with e-locker.
Silver05fx4 if your 09 FX4 has an open diff then you should take your truck back to your dealer and ask for a real FX4.
In a safe location at a dead stop turn off traction control, turn the wheel to lock (left or right your choice), place right foot firmly on the long skinny pedal and see what happens. It the truck drives in a circle you have an open diff, if it kicks the rear out and does some nice donuts you have a LS, though I have seen open diffs start to do a donut but not really kick the rear around. Only do this at your own risk if you wreck your truck you can only blame yourself.
Silver05fx4 if your 09 FX4 has an open diff then you should take your truck back to your dealer and ask for a real FX4.
In a safe location at a dead stop turn off traction control, turn the wheel to lock (left or right your choice), place right foot firmly on the long skinny pedal and see what happens. It the truck drives in a circle you have an open diff, if it kicks the rear out and does some nice donuts you have a LS, though I have seen open diffs start to do a donut but not really kick the rear around. Only do this at your own risk if you wreck your truck you can only blame yourself.
