Engine Comparison
When I first wrote about the (at that time) release of the 6.7L Cummins Diesel from Dodge, I was covering the issue of Ultra Low Sulfur Fuel, the new engine, exhaust systems being developed by the manufacturers to meet EPA emissions regulations. I can’t recall a time that so much anger and frustration has been levied against an automobile manufacturer and the manufacturer has turned a deaf ear. The NHTSA has not recalled the truck. Millions of dollars have changed hands and thousands of Dodge Ram 2500/3500 owners have been left in the lurch. Not only have they been loyal to Cummins, only to be shafted by Dodge, but knowing the issue exists in the Ford Power-stroke, has left many wondering what to drive? DODGE hasn’t figured out what to do about the litany of complaints and their fixes and flashes have failed to resolve the problem. With the threat of bankruptcy looming overhead, many Dodge owners are seeking legal advice to salvage a buy-back before the factorys’ liability becomes another item on the creditors list. I feel badly about all this. I’ve sold Dodge-Jeep and Chrysler products for years, but seeing and hearing about the way Chrysler is treating their loyal Dodge Cummins owners makes my blood boil. You can’t blame tree huggers or the EPA, they are not at fault. Everyone wants to breathe clean air and leave an unpolluted earth for the next generation. The real culprits are the factory bean-counters that rushed a product to market that wasn’t ready, and has failed the consumer when these problems arose. You won’t see many 2009 Diesels around because the factory knows there are problems in the black hole and no way to fix it without redesigning the entire fuel/exhaust system.
Come on Chrysler, step-up and do the right thing. RECALL these trucks and give the folks their money back . Get out of the game until Cummins tells you the engine/exhaust works to EPA specs. The problems mentioned below are a sampling of issues Dodge has yet to fix.
COLD WEATHER FREEZE: Jason in Canada tells of cold weather imploding his Cummins; “I have this 07 6.7 and well I’ve had CUMMINS in all my dodges for years. This is the worst engine I’ve had for mileage. Well 17000kms the engine is done. Dealer is replacing it at the moment. Seems at -30 the engine kicked all the oil out through the dip stick. So watch out you guy’s with no Warranty. I was told I lost the first in North America. I hope I get an up dated model that has no issues.”
DPF PLUGGING UP, CHECK ENGINE LIGHTS AND LOUSY FUEL ECONOMY. Eric shares his, not unusual Dodge Cummins 6.7l diesel problems; “I purchase a new 2007 3500 dodge with the 6.7 liter, I have had it in the shop 9 times for the check engine light, and all these were because of the new emissions particulate filter system. I have purchased low sulfur fuel, maintained the oil changes, but to no avail. I have had constant problems with this emission system were the particulate filter plugs up constantly causing more fuel to be injected into the particulate and causing very poor fuel mileage, along with carbon suit residue on the bed of the truck from the exhaust. The last 3 visits to the dealership would get the light turned off just to have the light come back on with days after. I spent $41,000 on the truck and have been nothing but a nuisance with having to have dealership visits on a regular basis. I have a 2002 dodge with the 5.9 liter, and have never had a problem like this. I would like to know if there is anything that can be done about this, cause the dealership desk also recognize that this is an issue that is wide spread also, knowing that I’m not the only one with this problem tells me that this issue is wide spread also, knowing that I’m not the only one with this problem tells me that someone with dodge needs to take action if they want to keep loyal customers!”
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Hopefully they find a fix before Chrysler goes bankrupt. Financials indicate that FORD is in much better financial condition. I think you bring up another factor in the UREA issue. It has to be liquified in water, and up where you are at, better have a good heater! Even for my trips to and fro Pennsylvania, I would need something to keep the UREA not freezing to at least minus 10. A lot to learn. A lot ahead of us all.
March 5, 2009, 3:35 am
Filed under: Auto Stimulus Bailout, Automotive, Chrysler, Dodge, Fuel economy, GMC, Nissan, Toyota, ford, jeep, used cars, women car buyers | Tags: auto bailout, car buying, Cerberus, CHRYSLER Bankruptcy, cummins diesel
Las Vegas, NV– The number one question on everyone’s mind is will Chrysler survive and what will be come of Jeep and Dodge. It is pretty apparent to the auto industry that Cerberus never really wanted to run a car company, they wanted to run a car bank. Cerberus, which owns GMAC and Chrysler/Chrysler Financial managed to receive bank status, and after grabbing some auto bailout money, now seems determined to dump the Chrysler product in a reorganization that will allow them to sell the best assets and close the rest.
There is nothing in the Chrysler badge to hold onto. The Jeep Wrangler is the key to the Jeep line. The Patriot, Commander and Liberty need fuel economy overhauls, and a bumper-to-bumper quality control evaluation.
Which brings me to Dodge, where the Dodge Ram Cummins diesel 5.9 was once the most highly regarded diesel truck on the road. The new EPA regulations have hammered the Dodge Ram 6.7l Cummins and the Ford Powerstroke to the point of no return. NO RETURNING CUSTOMERS> The loyalists to both products have abandoned their love affair due to non-stop DPF problems, poor fuel economy and a complete disconnect between customer service and factory warranty. The new 2009 Dodge Ram 1500 has failed to ignite new truck buyers. The hybrid Dodge Durango is non-existent, Dodge Caliber is selling so-so and the rest of the Dodge line: Dodge Nitro, Dodge Charger and Dodge Challenger are forgettable.
In all, Chrysler-Jeep-Dodge needs to go away. Send the remaining bailout billions to the public to buy new cars, and let the customer decide what they want to purchase. The car industry will vet itself. Let Cerberus, or whoever buys the remaining assets/plants, create an entirely new car brand based on fuel efficiency. The name plates new to fade away as customers identify them with a sad history of poor quality and corporate waste. The Chrysler-Dodge-Jeep design teams knows how to make good looking cars, and should partner with Toyota or Nissan for quality-control and a hipper image. Give these new models a new name and start from scratch.
For those poor (loyal) folks saddled with a 2007 or 2008 Dodge Ram Cummins Diesel 6.7 with check engine lights, DPF clogging, turbos going “bad”, and multiple trips to the dealership for so-called new software flashes, take heed; you need to demand Chrysler buyback your ride before the factory declares Chapter 11 (goes bankrupt) and you have no recourse.
According to several lemon law attorney’s, they can help you. YOu will find their information at LEMON LAW ATTORNEYS or contact this guy: Craig. Here is his post: “I am a Lemon Law attorney and can assist owners of defective Dodge trucks. For a free evaluation, call 1-888-LEMON-81 or go to my website at craigpatricklaw.com. I have handled numerous 6.7L Dodge cases.”
Stay tuned for more on the auto upheaval of the century.
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Maybe years ago, but today, don't bet it. Cummins will probably be around, but remember the following as an example:
"You may already be aware of Daimler Trucks North America's (DTNA) decision to discontinue the sale of Sterling branded Heavy, Medium, and Light duty Trucks. After months of extensive review, and after examining a range of alternatives for both DTNA and Sterling, we reached the painful conclusion that this action was a necessary response to dynamics in the economic environment, and future demands on the company's capital and other resources."
P.S. This is cut 'n pasted from STERLING's web site.
As info. Watch this and see if it happens, I DO! If OBAMA pulls the plug on AIG, look for Chrylser to go Chapter bankrupcy.
in my opinion it is the best engine in the 3/4 ton - 1 ton range.
BUT!!!
as is with the 6.4, they have TERRIBLE engine management (brought on by the EPA)
if you put the 6.7 in a unregulated environment, they are just as good, if not better than the 5.9
the EPA is going to kill the diesel, end of story.
they have said "future diesel engines will have less polutants coming out of the engines than the air going into the engines"


