More VSM issues
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More VSM issues
The VSM has been programed by ford. . . but I don't think it did a damn thing. Still has all the same symptoms. . Now I'm pissed because i gave money to the stealership and they didn't do anything. . . or didn't do it right. I have taken both doors apart. . . and on both doors. . .I have found the door ajar switches to be unplugged. This doesn't make sense to me. Somebody had to unplug them. Also. . .both sides are the same. . . Door closed, it indicates open. Door open. . . It indicates closed. This appears to be the only issue. Both switches operate correctly. . . switch open when door is open. . . Switch is closed when door is closed. So is this still a VSM problem or is there something else?
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Tim, that may be why they were unplugged in the first place. It makes you wonder if the wires didn't get switched from the factory. I know this doesn't really help you any, but I'm just thinking.
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I don't know enough about the VSM to be of much help, but I'm wondering if maybe you have a bad switch. If you have all 4 doors closed, the door ajar light is on. Have you tried opening each door by itself to see if you can narrow it down to one door, or maybe just the front doors? If it's only on the front door(s), what happens if you swap the switch from front to back? Does the problem follow the switch or stay with the same door?
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Mine goes in tomorrow. They want to do a pinpoint test to make sure what the problem is. I'm guessing in the end it will cost me about 5hundred no matter whar the prob is. The good thing is they have heard about the vsm problem so maybe it will get fixed.
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Boy, am I confused! Your signature shows a 2000 model but Ford didn't start putting VSM's in until the 2002. Are you sure you didn't get a new GEM?
Could be that a previous owner had the module changed for some reason and whoever re-programmed it messed up. There may be a separate item in the programming that can reverse the contact sensing from normally open to normally closed. I would check with the technician at the dealer to see if that can be switched as part of the programming.
Could be that a previous owner had the module changed for some reason and whoever re-programmed it messed up. There may be a separate item in the programming that can reverse the contact sensing from normally open to normally closed. I would check with the technician at the dealer to see if that can be switched as part of the programming.
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My truck is a 2000. . . this is an 02 that i'm working on. Extended cab. . . so two switches. They both operate the same. Its just a simple open/close switch. Polarity doesn't matter with them. I'm thinking its got to be the programing. Which means I'm going to be ripping the dealers head off tomorrow. Both switches work just fine. I tested them individually. Both have the same symptom. It has to be programming. Unless somebody has another idea?
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I have been chewing on this since you posted this earlier Tim. It has to be in the programming. I can't see anything in the wiring that would cause that. The only remote possibility is if the switches on the door were reversed. NC instead of NO but that is very highly unlikely.
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I completely agree with you. These switches don't really have a NO or NC option. They aren't spring loaded or anything. The computer just has to decide which is which. So again I guess I'm going to go level some ford tech tomorrow!
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Well as far as leveling the tech and or the service manager. . . I didn't personally do that. . however I don't think I'm too welcome over there anymore But I wouldn't step foot in that stealership again if it were the last on earth. The guys were refusing to help try and diagnose a problem. . . they just said. . ."I'm not going to debate this with you. . . bring it in and we'll look at it." I laughed at him. . . I said there was no chance. He kept trying to say the switches were bad. . . or the wiring was backwards. . . I asked him if he had ever looked at the wiring schematic because you could swap the wires and it wouldn't make a difference. So anyway. . . talking with the dealership where I bought the VSM(where the tech was very helpful even bringing out the Ford Manual and looking at it with me. . . I'm going to pull codes. . . and see if there is something there. Basically two possibilities. . . either the VSM is bad. . . or the gauge cluster is bad. So I'll keep you updated.
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But I wouldn't step foot in that stealership again if it were the last on earth. The guys were refusing to help try and diagnose a problem. . . they just said. . ."I'm not going to debate this with you. . . bring it in and we'll look at it." I laughed at him. . . I said there was no chance. He kept trying to say the switches were bad. . . or the wiring was backwards. . . I asked him if he had ever looked at the wiring schematic because you could swap the wires and it wouldn't make a difference. So anyway. . . talking with the dealership where I bought the VSM(where the tech was very helpful even bringing out the Ford Manual and looking at it with me. . . I'm going to pull codes. . . and see if there is something there. Basically two possibilities. . . either the VSM is bad. . . or the gauge cluster is bad. So I'll keep you updated.TImmy
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I would check the guage cluster atleast that is what what was wrong with my truck today along with the VSM. Only prob is that they can not locate a new cluster but they have a vender that rebuilds them. asked about the warranty from the vendor said they would get back to me. Ford offers a 12month warranty on the cluster, I would just sooner pay the money and have a new one.
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I would check the guage cluster atleast that is what what was wrong with my truck today along with the VSM. Only prob is that they can not locate a new cluster but they have a vender that rebuilds them. asked about the warranty from the vendor said they would get back to me. Ford offers a 12month warranty on the cluster, I would just sooner pay the money and have a new one.
That would be awesome!TImmy
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The radio and interior light stay on after the truck is shut off. can not lock doors with key fob or lock switch and door ajar light stays on and my lights only work manualy There is also a slow drain on my battries. tried wd40 in the locks worked them by hand and respayed multiple times. I even took the door panels off to check the connections. The dealer did 2 pin point tests and came up with the same thing. I talked to a former ford dealership and they had seen this before but not very often but they are not a dealership anymore prob because they were reasonably priced and u could talk to them like u were equals.
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