Engine and trans sat too low?
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Engine and trans sat too low?
Finally went and collected the donor F150 today. It's an '83 with a '74 302 and C6 in, retrofitted from what I'm not sure. It was fun towing it home 200 odd miles on the motorway using a *ahem* Mitsubishi L200 and a solo tow ("A" Frame).
Anyways the engine sits WAY low in the bay, so much so that cast headers won't fit. what is that all about?
Engine no. is - D4DE-6015-BA.
I also have the rear axle markings if someone can decode that, I'd really appreciate it. WDM-CL 2B0375 9 S331C
Is it likely that car mounts have been used? I need some mounts to lift this, and quick! Are the ones from the 3.8 any use by any chance?
On a slightly different note, if anyone has any pics of their 302 in their bay (nicely presented or otherwise, I'd like to see them)
Anyways the engine sits WAY low in the bay, so much so that cast headers won't fit. what is that all about?
Engine no. is - D4DE-6015-BA.
I also have the rear axle markings if someone can decode that, I'd really appreciate it. WDM-CL 2B0375 9 S331C
Is it likely that car mounts have been used? I need some mounts to lift this, and quick! Are the ones from the 3.8 any use by any chance?
On a slightly different note, if anyone has any pics of their 302 in their bay (nicely presented or otherwise, I'd like to see them)
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If the mounts look homemade, then that's your problem. I don't know if the 3.8 mounts will work, but you can look at them and see how the factory mounted them, and then look at the truck you just brought home, and see if they have a "factory" look to them.
I hope you pulled the driveshaft out of the c6 tranny. If not, you may have ruined the tranny flat towing it on the road.
I hope you pulled the driveshaft out of the c6 tranny. If not, you may have ruined the tranny flat towing it on the road.
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If the mounts look homemade, then that's your problem. I don't know if the 3.8 mounts will work, but you can look at them and see how the factory mounted them, and then look at the truck you just brought home, and see if they have a "factory" look to them.
I hope you pulled the driveshaft out of the c6 tranny. If not, you may have ruined the tranny flat towing it on the road.
I hope you pulled the driveshaft out of the c6 tranny. If not, you may have ruined the tranny flat towing it on the road.
The mounts don't look home made...
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It is possible that they used car mounts, because I know that the manifolds off of a car will not work in truck applications due to clearance.
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Yep, from the UK (sadly) just to make things more difficult!
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Ok, don't know if they are any good but maybe someone will be able to tell from some of the pics...
How low in the bay is this sat?
Gap between trans and tunnel...
Header cut and not shut over mount......
Header part no. is D1DEW 9431 AA
Mount on Frame no. (from what I could make out, sticker is pretty faded/dirty) EDT2 6029 D
Right Side header and mount underneath....
EDIT - What are these hoses? The clear one is taped at the end and goes nowhere.
How low in the bay is this sat?
Gap between trans and tunnel...
Header cut and not shut over mount......
Header part no. is D1DEW 9431 AA
Mount on Frame no. (from what I could make out, sticker is pretty faded/dirty) EDT2 6029 D
Right Side header and mount underneath....
EDIT - What are these hoses? The clear one is taped at the end and goes nowhere.
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I think that is the wrong manifold. Here is what rockauto.com has on their site as the proper one.
P.S. How many bolts are holding that manifold on? Is it missing a few? That might be for a totally different engine if none of the opposing bolts line up.
P.S. How many bolts are holding that manifold on? Is it missing a few? That might be for a totally different engine if none of the opposing bolts line up.
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I don't know about the manifolds, they were already on there when I picked the truck up and were only fitted for the purpose of starting the engine up, allegedly.
Haven't seen the venerable Number Dummy on here in a while, if those part no's were decoded then it would tell where they were from.
I'm looking for some tubular one's anyway, but concerned with getting the mounts first if they are wrong. Having looked at some '80 - 86 302 trucks for sale online I'm wondering if the engine is mounted too low after all. It just seems like there is a LOT of space between the cab and the trans.
Haven't seen the venerable Number Dummy on here in a while, if those part no's were decoded then it would tell where they were from.
I'm looking for some tubular one's anyway, but concerned with getting the mounts first if they are wrong. Having looked at some '80 - 86 302 trucks for sale online I'm wondering if the engine is mounted too low after all. It just seems like there is a LOT of space between the cab and the trans.
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Just received a reply from an ebay seller who has some truck mounts, he is adamant that car mounts won't fit on the truck anyways. For the cost, I may just risk it and buy some truck mounts. Another thing I can't get a straight answer on is from sellers who list headers (not cast manifolds) as being a fit on trucks and mustangs. Is this the case or are they just increasing their saleability?(sp)
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I wish I had some better pictures of my 81 with the 302 in it...
Best I can do for reference. Your engine does look to be low in there, and it almost looks like it's forward of where it should be, I'm not used to being able to see the bellhousing bolts like that. But, I also haven't worked on a carburated 302 in one of these trucks in a very long time.
For sure those are NOT truck manifolds on there. I just dug out the set off of my 351W and gave them away last week.... LOL
For what it's worth, those are stock Fox chassis Mustang shorties on that 302 of mine, they actually seemed to fit pretty well.
Looks like you scored yourself a MSD ignition, doesn't look to be installed the greatest, but nonetheless it is there.
The unhooked hoses are vacuum lines, one of the lines going to that tree should be getting manifold vacuum, one goes to the vacuum modulator on the transmission, and the third one, well, my memory is a bit foggy... LOL
Best I can do for reference. Your engine does look to be low in there, and it almost looks like it's forward of where it should be, I'm not used to being able to see the bellhousing bolts like that. But, I also haven't worked on a carburated 302 in one of these trucks in a very long time.
For sure those are NOT truck manifolds on there. I just dug out the set off of my 351W and gave them away last week.... LOL
For what it's worth, those are stock Fox chassis Mustang shorties on that 302 of mine, they actually seemed to fit pretty well.
Looks like you scored yourself a MSD ignition, doesn't look to be installed the greatest, but nonetheless it is there.
The unhooked hoses are vacuum lines, one of the lines going to that tree should be getting manifold vacuum, one goes to the vacuum modulator on the transmission, and the third one, well, my memory is a bit foggy... LOL
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Was down where its stored and had another look at lunch time. One of the guys in the workshop next door popped his head in for a look and noticed that the PAS pump sits practically on top of the rack, and that the alternator belt is rubbing on another one of the pulleys.
Worked out the lines too
Looking at the two, mine does seem a an inch or two lower maybe.....
Yeah it has an MSD 6T, Blaster coil and Billet distributor. I know it looks a mess but it was too cheap to pass up.
Ah well, will support the engine and pop the mounts off.......
Worked out the lines too
Looking at the two, mine does seem a an inch or two lower maybe.....
Yeah it has an MSD 6T, Blaster coil and Billet distributor. I know it looks a mess but it was too cheap to pass up.
Ah well, will support the engine and pop the mounts off.......
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Hmm, I wonder what engine that truck had stock. Something sticks in my head about the stands on the frame being lower on a 3.8, I know they're not the same as a V8 truck. What's the 8th character of the VIN?
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looks like it was a 4.9 truck. the radiator is reversed and that is why they used the universal hoses. there is a set of mounts that are riveted, or bolted to the crossmember for v/8's, raises the motor about 2", and sets it back more to the fire wall about 4". the rubber mounts go between these and the motor. the 4.9 rubber motor mounts are bolted right to the crossmember. i'm guessing they had the front driveshaft lengthened to make this work
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Thanks for the insight dustyBumpers
82F100SWB, not that straightforward, the previous owners found two different VINS' one that identified it as an F350 (cab) and the frame one that identified it as an F150. Yep, another bitsa truck! Did you send all of your ringers/repaired write off's over here? lol
But I will look into it all the same and post them up.
Now then, whats the biggest/best rad to use in there? Has anyone converted to electric fan(s) for a cooling aid and is it worth it? Our roads are a car park most of the time.
82F100SWB, not that straightforward, the previous owners found two different VINS' one that identified it as an F350 (cab) and the frame one that identified it as an F150. Yep, another bitsa truck! Did you send all of your ringers/repaired write off's over here? lol
But I will look into it all the same and post them up.Now then, whats the biggest/best rad to use in there? Has anyone converted to electric fan(s) for a cooling aid and is it worth it? Our roads are a car park most of the time.