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Old Feb 26, 2009 | 09:08 PM
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I found a car that the seller says that it has a Ford 427 in it for $1000.How can I know that it`s a 427 ?
 
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Old Feb 26, 2009 | 09:51 PM
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Send me your email address and I will send you a picture of our 427, so you will know what to look for. If it does not have the three cross bolts, it is not a 427. 427's have cross bolted mains, so you will see three bolts on the bottom of the block close to the oil pan, on both sides.
 
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Old Feb 26, 2009 | 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by maxtor
Send me your email address and I will send you a picture of our 427, so you will know what to look for. If it does not have the three cross bolts, it is not a 427. 427's have cross bolted mains, so you will see three bolts on the bottom of the block close to the oil pan, on both sides.
Actually not competely true. There are the marine 427 and the hydraulic cammed 427 without crossbolts, only the bosses.
 
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Old Feb 26, 2009 | 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Bear 45/70
Actually not competely true. There are the marine 427 and the hydraulic cammed 427 without crossbolts, only the bosses.
You are half right Bear;
Some marine blocks and industrial blocks are not cross bolted, but my hydraulic cammed 427 block was cross bolted and was a side oiler. I had one in a 1969 cougar. 390 hp. I bought the car used, so it might have been added by the dealer, because some say that they stopped the 427 engine in the Cougar in 1968. But mine was a 427 hydraulic cammed, cross bolt, side oiler. If it is not cross bolted, it probably is not a 427.
Bear is right,,, never say never.

393Stroker,,, I sent you two pictures, let me know if you received them.
 
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Old Feb 27, 2009 | 04:57 AM
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Yep Buyer always beware!! Even if it does have the crossbolted block, it still might not be a 427 ? Its maybe a 406 also !! Cant ever be for sure with an FE, unless you ID the crank stroke and bore...But you can get in the ballpark!

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Old Feb 27, 2009 | 05:16 AM
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IMHO The $1000.00 price tag should be a be a huge factor. It will follow the 352/360 being 390s, "thats what they told me when I bought it" rule.

I can't imagine a car with an authentic 427 in it being on the market for less than $5000.00 and closer to 10.

A real 427 will bring full grown men to their knees like new born babies do to wimmins. The die hards will scope it, stroke it, look up it's tail pipe hole while holding a warm & fuzzy feeling up their leg.




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Old Feb 27, 2009 | 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by jowilker
IMHO The $1000.00 price tag should be a be a huge factor. It will follow the 352/360 being 390s, "thats what they told me when I bought it" rule.

I can't imagine a car with an authentic 427 in it being on the market for less than $5000.00 and closer to 10.

A real 427 will bring full grown men to their knees like new born babies do to wimmins. The die hards will scope it, stroke it, look up it's tail pipe hole while holding a warm & fuzzy feeling up their leg.




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John, you gotta get out more often bud. This is a family sight for christ's sake.. LOL


Simple: Have him pull the heads so you can measure the bore & stroke. Then explain how the car is only worth 500.00 to you with the engine all apart like this. So you'd be willing to give him 150.00 to put it back together.
 
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Old Feb 27, 2009 | 07:20 PM
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I got the pictures maxtor, thanks. I just called the guy and now he`s not sure what motor is in it,but he said he would check for the cross bolted mains and i`ll call him back Saturday. Its on craigs list in San Antonio Tx under `1954 Pakard ,Feb. 17th
 
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Old Feb 28, 2009 | 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by 393STROKER
I got the pictures maxtor, thanks. I just called the guy and now he`s not sure what motor is in it,but he said he would check for the cross bolted mains and i`ll call him back Saturday. Its on craigs list in San Antonio Tx under `1954 Pakard ,Feb. 17th
Ya gotta love it, don't know what it is, so let's call it a 427. ROTFLMAO




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Old Mar 19, 2009 | 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by maxtor
You are half right Bear;
Some marine blocks and industrial blocks are not cross bolted, but my hydraulic cammed 427 block was cross bolted and was a side oiler. I had one in a 1969 cougar. 390 hp. I bought the car used, so it might have been added by the dealer, because some say that they stopped the 427 engine in the Cougar in 1968. But mine was a 427 hydraulic cammed, cross bolt, side oiler. If it is not cross bolted, it probably is not a 427.
Bear is right,,, never say never.

393Stroker,,, I sent you two pictures, let me know if you received them.
That's pretty correct, you might find a marine or industrial with an undrilled block and standard caps, but the late hydro-capables should all be cross-bolted. A lot of side-oiler castings that went to marine & industrial are also only drilled for the early oil system, the side gallery may not be drilled- especially marine blocks, as quite a few have a slash cut throught the gallery boss for engine mount clearance that cuts right through where the drilled passage would be.
The GTE Cougar was indeed that last production car with a 427 in '68, but many service blocks were produced after that, and would be hydro-capable.
Then to throw a monkey wrench in, you might find a block that has had the cross-bolt caps retrofitted, used to be pretty popular on 428's and such before the aftermarket blocks came out, used to find cap sets from grenaded 427's at swap meets for $50
 
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Old Mar 19, 2009 | 05:23 PM
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I found out that it was a 429 in the car for sale,still look`n though!
 
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Old Mar 20, 2009 | 05:51 AM
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Imagine that, even larger than a 427.


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Old Mar 20, 2009 | 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by 393STROKER
I got the pictures maxtor, thanks. I just called the guy and now he`s not sure what motor is in it,but he said he would check for the cross bolted mains and i`ll call him back Saturday. Its on craigs list in San Antonio Tx under `1954 Pakard ,Feb. 17th
I'm calling BS on this so-called 427, because a 1954 PACKARD is easily worth 3 to 5 grand as a parts car with its original Straight 8, even if the engine is toast, and the body is rusty.

Only 30,965 1954 Packards and Packard Clippers were made, making them one of the rarest years, and are highly sought after by Packard collectors.

I sold an all original '54 convertible 20 years ago for 15 grand. The new owner repainted the car, installed a new top, re-sold it a year later for 25 grand.

Completely restored, a car like this today will bring 100 grand EZ.
 
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Old Mar 20, 2009 | 06:57 PM
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It`s still for sale,check it out in San Antonio Texas Craigs List
 
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Old Mar 20, 2009 | 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy
I'm calling BS on this so-called 427, because a 1954 PACKARD is easily worth 3 to 5 grand as a parts car with its original Straight 8, even if the engine is toast, and the body is rusty.

Only 30,965 1954 Packards and Packard Clippers were made, making them one of the rarest years, and are highly sought after by Packard collectors.

I sold an all original '54 convertible 20 years ago for 15 grand. The new owner repainted the car, installed a new top, re-sold it a year later for 25 grand.

Completely restored, a car like this today will bring 100 grand EZ.
Hey,,, I have one of those "352" engines with four bolt mains, 4.23 bore, 3.78 stroke, side oiler. Russ said it is worth $159
 
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