Engine ping V-10
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Engine ping V-10
I have a 2000 E-450 SD with the V-10, and about 90K. Also I dont know if the plugs are the original or not.
And about a year ago, it started pining on hills, its not a heavy ping, but it never pinged before at all on any hill. I have tried several brands of gas, but its about the same. I also added some octane boost that didn't help much.
And suggestion would be greatly appreciated.
And about a year ago, it started pining on hills, its not a heavy ping, but it never pinged before at all on any hill. I have tried several brands of gas, but its about the same. I also added some octane boost that didn't help much.
And suggestion would be greatly appreciated.
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Hmmm... Is it a hard knock or a light ping fading in and out? A hard knock (the mid 70's style coffee can of rocks), that is NOT good. Just a little ping fading in and out is not nearly as damaging.
Have you tried premium fuel from name brand station?
If it still pings using that, something is amiss. It is normal for combustion chamber to get coated with carbon deposits over time (especially with discount fuel) which makes pinging more likely so may need a grade or two higher on regular basis.
These engines do have a knock sensor, and the ECM uses the feedback from it to adjust timing to keep it right on the edge of pinging. It is quite possible the knock sensor has failed so the ECM things the engine is not pinging and is using maximum advance all the time.
The sensor is not too bad to change if you remove the alternator first. The connector is at the back of the engine and a little tough to reach.
Have you tried premium fuel from name brand station?
If it still pings using that, something is amiss. It is normal for combustion chamber to get coated with carbon deposits over time (especially with discount fuel) which makes pinging more likely so may need a grade or two higher on regular basis.
These engines do have a knock sensor, and the ECM uses the feedback from it to adjust timing to keep it right on the edge of pinging. It is quite possible the knock sensor has failed so the ECM things the engine is not pinging and is using maximum advance all the time.
The sensor is not too bad to change if you remove the alternator first. The connector is at the back of the engine and a little tough to reach.
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Its a light rattling ping, not a hard knock, and only when climbing hill, and upping the quality of gas doesn't seam to have much effect, nor does adding octane boost.
It must be that the anti knock sensor is dead. Do you think?
Remember this is on a van, not a pickup, by removing the dog house would that give better access?
It must be that the anti knock sensor is dead. Do you think?
Remember this is on a van, not a pickup, by removing the dog house would that give better access?
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Pulling the dog house should make access to the connector easier.
I would say it is worth trying to change the sensor. No guarantees.... but it can't hurt.
To get to it, remove the accesory drive belt and move the alternator to the side. Look under the intake. Right in the middle of the engine valley, a couple/few inches back from the front, is a bolt holding a blob to the cast iron. The blob has a thick wire coming out of it and running back. That blob is the knock sensor.
I would say it is worth trying to change the sensor. No guarantees.... but it can't hurt.
To get to it, remove the accesory drive belt and move the alternator to the side. Look under the intake. Right in the middle of the engine valley, a couple/few inches back from the front, is a bolt holding a blob to the cast iron. The blob has a thick wire coming out of it and running back. That blob is the knock sensor.
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I would like to know as well. My 03 V10 pings going up hill under light load. If I drop it into drive then the pinging goes away. I am going to try the fuel injector service today to see if that helps.
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Same issue here. Seems to be an issue of truck is in OD and locked up. When a low hill comes up, I give it light throttle increase. It is not enough throttle to unlock it or downshift. This is the condition it pings in. If I stab the throttle, it will stop pinging.
I talked to Johnny who posted above and he assures me that this problem will go away with a certain aftermarket tuner. I just don't have the money right now for that.
But I would like to make it go away for ever....!
My pinging does get better with higher octane gas...
I talked to Johnny who posted above and he assures me that this problem will go away with a certain aftermarket tuner. I just don't have the money right now for that.
But I would like to make it go away for ever....!
My pinging does get better with higher octane gas...
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I have a 2000 F250 SD 4x4 automatic and have had the pinging/knocking under acceleration ever since I bought the truck. Recently I had a check engine light with a code P0174 - Lean left bank. I would clear the code and after running the engine for a few minutes the code would come back. One day I heard a hissing/whistling noise from the engine and discovered that the Positive Crankcase Ventilation (PCV) hose, that connects to the intake manifold underneath the throttle body, was cracked. I taped the crack closed, cleared the code and the code didn't come back. My tape-up job didn't last very long so I replaced the hose with a fuel rated 3/4 rubber hose and hose clamped the other end that connects to the hose for the PCV. The other day when I accelerated up a few mountain roads, I didn't hear the pinging/knocking. I'm thinking that the PCV hose line to the intake manifold was sucking in additional air that would cause the fuel system to run lean. Anway... it seems to be working for me. In all my discussions with Ford tech, they never brought up this possibility.
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my 03 is the same..
if i apply light load in OD for small hills the engine will ping, until i turn off OD and force a 3rd gear climb...
using 89Octane gas def. helps..
think the factory tune for these trucks simply doesnt work very well..
everytime someone posts about a aftermarket tuner program (mainly 5Star) they seem to be WAY happier with teh trucks overall performance..
that what im planning on eventualy.. for now i run 89 Octane and turn off OD before any hill that i know the truck will struggle on. having 3:73s and 35"s tires dont help of course.. ahahah
if i apply light load in OD for small hills the engine will ping, until i turn off OD and force a 3rd gear climb...
using 89Octane gas def. helps..
think the factory tune for these trucks simply doesnt work very well..
everytime someone posts about a aftermarket tuner program (mainly 5Star) they seem to be WAY happier with teh trucks overall performance..
that what im planning on eventualy.. for now i run 89 Octane and turn off OD before any hill that i know the truck will struggle on. having 3:73s and 35"s tires dont help of course.. ahahah
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Dwinn's issue of unmetered air entering the intake will aggravate the issue,but the fact is the OEM tune is terrible.
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V10 Engine Rattle or pinging
Hey,
Did anyone ever find the reason for the rattling in the engine of the V10? I have a 2000 Excursion Limited 4x4 and the engine rattles even while it's idling. When I give it just a little bit of gas in park it becomes louder. Out on the road it seems to be clear until I stop and go. After it shifts into 2nd gear it will rattle and then clear out after exceleration. I haven't tried a higher octane gas but I will and will also check the PCV hose as I have read in the other posts.
I could really use some advice since I just got this truck and I really like it. My mechanic today said he would probably have to go into the engine to find the problem which could cost in upwards of 1500-1800 dollars. but I don't think that will be necessary.
Any advice would help.
Thanks,
Tim
Did anyone ever find the reason for the rattling in the engine of the V10? I have a 2000 Excursion Limited 4x4 and the engine rattles even while it's idling. When I give it just a little bit of gas in park it becomes louder. Out on the road it seems to be clear until I stop and go. After it shifts into 2nd gear it will rattle and then clear out after exceleration. I haven't tried a higher octane gas but I will and will also check the PCV hose as I have read in the other posts.
I could really use some advice since I just got this truck and I really like it. My mechanic today said he would probably have to go into the engine to find the problem which could cost in upwards of 1500-1800 dollars. but I don't think that will be necessary.
Any advice would help.
Thanks,
Tim
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Hey,
Did anyone ever find the reason for the rattling in the engine of the V10? I have a 2000 Excursion Limited 4x4 and the engine rattles even while it's idling. When I give it just a little bit of gas in park it becomes louder. Out on the road it seems to be clear until I stop and go. After it shifts into 2nd gear it will rattle and then clear out after exceleration. I haven't tried a higher octane gas but I will and will also check the PCV hose as I have read in the other posts.
I could really use some advice since I just got this truck and I really like it. My mechanic today said he would probably have to go into the engine to find the problem which could cost in upwards of 1500-1800 dollars. but I don't think that will be necessary.
Any advice would help.
Thanks,
Tim
Did anyone ever find the reason for the rattling in the engine of the V10? I have a 2000 Excursion Limited 4x4 and the engine rattles even while it's idling. When I give it just a little bit of gas in park it becomes louder. Out on the road it seems to be clear until I stop and go. After it shifts into 2nd gear it will rattle and then clear out after exceleration. I haven't tried a higher octane gas but I will and will also check the PCV hose as I have read in the other posts.
I could really use some advice since I just got this truck and I really like it. My mechanic today said he would probably have to go into the engine to find the problem which could cost in upwards of 1500-1800 dollars. but I don't think that will be necessary.
Any advice would help.
Thanks,
Tim
JL