can anyone tell me if the 64 and 66 frames are the same ? i have a 66 i was going to modify but i am having a problem with the title and rust under the hood issues . truck has been bought and sold between farmers since late 70 s and the vehical has not been titled in several years . (last titled in differnt state and i can not find the last owner )
anyway i also have a 64 that i was restoing that i may try the cv front swap . thanks rg

 

Yes, the front suspension and the front bumper mount is different. Other than that and hole locations they are the same.

 

the 64 (already blasted and frame painted ) would be easier to finish instead of fishing for a title and fighting serious rust (under the hood ) issues . thanks rg

 

I believe most of the tin is transferable.Doors ,hood,fenders. as far as drive train. no. at least not without doing some fabrication. there was a design change between 64 and 65. take a look at the way the motors are mounted in and you'll see the big difference. there may be some differences in the inner fenderwells but i think you can make them work. good luck Dutch

 

It appears from the pic the body mounts are same F100/F250 4X2, and F100 4X4. Regarding the rest of the chassis, don't know. Starting about 2 1/2 yrs. ago, I occasion would stop by and check on a fellow's project who resides down the road. Took the 65 F100 sheet metal and put it on a 64 F100 4X4, the project covered period of several months and for 1 reason or another it turned out to be a nightmare. Unfortunately, the truck has not been on the road since. Comments is for info purposes, think if he had done little research there there would have been a better outcome.

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/n...bodymounts.jpg

 

The front bumper is the same 1964/66. 1961/63 is different.

The 1964 frame is not quite the same as a 1965 unless both are 4WD.

2WD:

The transmission crossmember is riveted in on a '64 frame, 1965/66 it's bolted in.

The 1964 front crossmember is a slightly different shape than a 1965.

1964's used the 223 & 262 I-6's, 292 V8. 1965's use the 240 or 300 I-6's, 352 V8.

1964's have front leaf springs, 1965's have Twin I Beams.

The frame rails themselves are deeper in 1964 than they are in 1965, and the section modulus is different.

 

Like I said the frame is the same the differences are 66 has an engine and front suspension crossmember but its the same frame rail.
Just curious wich truck (serial #) has the good title. Just grind off and restamp the better frame to match the paperwork. Hell there are enough "experts" here that have trouble telling years by frame # you think that chick at DMV will have a clue.

 

Uhh, no it is not the same frame rail not even close...

The 65 66 rails drop almost three inches lower due to the low floor added to the 65 66 cabs.

The 61 to 64 front suspension area is fairly straight to in back of the cab with just a slight droop.

The 65 up frame up to 1979 makes a dramatic drop just aft of the I beam cross member to pick up the front cab mount.

As ND stated the only similar frame is the 61 to 66 F250 and 61 to 65 F100 4x4 frames.

Garbz

 

Dave, you can lead a mule to water, but you cannot make it drink.

Some insist it's the same frame, but will soon discover and find out the hard way when trying to mount a 1965/66 body on a 1964, that is not the case.

The engine & trans crossmembers are different, the front suspension is different. The engine/trans mounts and insulators are completely different.

The 1961/64 frame rails are a different shape than 1965/66, and are deeper.

Then add all the differences you cited, and you oughtta know, considering how many dozens of these trucks you've dis-assembled.

Ergo: The frames are not the same, PERIOD!

 

ok guys here we go . i bought a 64 one owner short bed f100 that was in the middle of restoration . i have the original title from march 1964 .(the bmv said there is no problem putting it in my name ) everything except cab and bed was blasted and then the chassis was painted . the cab is in very good shape and needs very little body wise . the bed was left outside on the ground , it needs alot of bodywork to even be close . the original 223 was fresh from the machine shop and i have put it together but the oil pan . (oil pan is very thin on the bottom after blasting)

i bought the 66 f 100 short bed for the 03 - 07 crown vic frontend swap . (and i could use some of the parts for the restore ). but the title i have been given is late 70's and the truck has been on the farm since sometime in the late 70's or 80's . (i believe someone did a disc brake swap and didnt get it right , the thing is flat dangerous at speed ! ) but the front fenders and radiator support and inner fenders is like swiss cheese from rust .( from years of farm work )

i bought a 03 cv front end to kind of build a rat truck out of the 66 . now the title has put the 64 into possible modifing mode instead of restore mode . i would use the 64 cab on the 64 frame ..... or the 66 cab on the 66 frame ..... but one of them is getting a cv front end this week . thanks rg

 

Id part the 66, scrap the junk, sell off it what you dont need and apply those funds towards the 64s restore and finish the restore on the 64...alot of the dirty work has already been done...and paid for on it....you are waaaaaaaaay ahead on it already...



- cs65

 

BTW...Green Sales has 2 NOS oil pans... B8A6675B

They are the only source for a new one...


- cs65

 

Also the F100 frame and the f250 65 up frame are different buy almost 1" inch in height. Same basic profile but one is taller than the other.

The frame widths are the same for 61 through 66 so the basic really wide CV will install similar.

Garbz

 

On my 79 frame I'm working on has the frame stamp under the cab. I don't know how in the heck one would get under there to even read it, let alone gripe that is does not match. Its being blasted and powder coated, which will likely make it unreadable from now on.

I have owned a 64 and a 66. Either one is a good one to rebuild. They sell engine cross members and trans cross members to drop just about anything you want in there.

 

thanks for the info for the oil pan . ive been looking for quite a while for one . also i really dont want to remove the stiaght axle but i really do like the idea of the rack and pinion , disc brakes and lowering .(with a basic bolt in 03 -07 crown vic frontend )

i just dont know if i can finish the restore to a great quality . but i believe i could do a very good upgrade . still undecided and confused . thanks rg