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Old Jan 19, 2009 | 07:03 PM
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Bush does the right thing!

Sentences commuted for Border Patrol Agents who shot smuggler.
The Associated Press: Bush commutes sentences of former US border agents
 
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Old Jan 19, 2009 | 07:25 PM
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Sentences commuted for Border Patrol Agents who shot smuggler.
The Associated Press: Bush commutes sentences of former US border agents
They should have gotten commendations and promotions! not prison time!...........Way to go W!
 
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Old Jan 19, 2009 | 07:54 PM
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At least he did one thing right....woohoo!
 
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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 01:15 AM
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I'm not really that up on the whole thing, but from what I read about it I would have thuoght they should have been pardoned. At least Bush went and commuted the sentence at least.
 
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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 05:44 AM
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long overdue
 
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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 07:07 AM
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I'm not really that up on the whole thing, but from what I read about it I would have thuoght they should have been pardoned. At least Bush went and commuted the sentence at least.
You notice that I did not say he got it right.
 
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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 08:17 AM
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Yup......Pardon would have been much better.....I can't imagine why he didn't go for the full pardon......Now he commuted their sentences like he did for Scooter Libby....But Libby didn't have to spend any time in jail.......How long did Ramos and Campion spend in prison? 2 or 3 years anyway........
 
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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 08:20 AM
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Mark Rich!!!!!!! I believe this is why Bush is gun shy on pardons.
This is way overdue
 
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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 08:44 AM
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Mark Rich was pretty much off of the radar.......No one knew who the hell he was until the pardon.....then the word got out.

With Ramos and Campion, EVERYONE knows who they are....And there's a large amount of support in Congress, Walter Jones (NC) among them...and HAS been for the last couple of years...for them to be pardoned.....The ongoing petitions from citizens and from Congress has fallen on deaf frickin' ears......

Bush knuckled under to the demands of the Mexican Government, pure and simple. There was a big diplomatic to-and-fro going on during their prosecution. I lost a LOT of respect for Bush at that time. With this commutation, it's reported that there's a lot of anger in the Mexican government.....

Which to me shows that the commutation at least is on the RIGHT track.

I'm not saying that Ramos and Campion shouldn't have been internally punished for their after-action behavior (evidence, statements).....But for the Justice Department to remorselessly prosecute them for violating that GD dung-eating, drug-smuggling, illegal alien's 'civil rights' (what a frickin' laugh!)---at the demand of Vincenze Fox and the rest of the Mexican Government---is the height of insanity.....and just shows how little regard the Bush Administration (and administrations before that) have for the security on the southern border.

Murders are rampant on the border...The drug gangs (HUGE gangs) have taken over certain towns and provinces down there....there's atrocities being committed (beheadings) every bit as bad as Islamo-Fundy groups, and there's sentiment that a small shove could topple Mexico into anarchy......And what's our answer? PROSECUTE 2 BORDER AGENTS FOR SHOOTING ONE OF THEM SUNZABICHES IN THE ***!!!

Insanity, man.....Insanity.......
 
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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 08:53 AM
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^^^ I wish everyone understood what is going on at the border! Especially our leaders... Its a war zone down there and everyone turns there back to it. Seal the damn border!
 
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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 10:09 AM
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CM..we agree on a lot but not this. Bush has a record of not reversing verdicts. I'm not debating the trial of the Boarder guards. They were over sentenced in my view but it was a freak show(factually) case on both sides.
I wish the B.G.'s had dusted the SOB(that would have ended it) but there was testimony that after the original mess that there was fudging of facts.
It's always the after action report that screws people. It got Libby, Martha Stewart, Bill Clinton.....and the Guards!!

I'd like to see Ramos and Campion pardoned.....I understand why it wasn't done!
I also understand why Texas has an express lane to the death chamber.
Bush has an aversion to negating a verdict. I get it.
One good point in this is it should shut up the leftist freaks that say Cheney runs the show......Bush didn't let Libby off the hook for his conviction(as I think should have happened).
The Guards will soon be free as they should be.
I whole heartedly agree they shouldn't have done day 1!!
 
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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 10:56 AM
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I have followed this case almost from the beginning and it stank to high heaven. It was the Bush administration, via the Justice Department's Johnny Sutton, that "threw the book at them". 10 year mandatory minimum for the Federal gun charge, no wiggle room for the judge. Now, Bush commutes the sentence, but no pardon. The drug smuggler was basically given a free pass to cross the border so that he would testify, and he was caught smuggling again. The jury was not allowed to know anything about that. Disgraceful.

A small town newspaper here in the Inland Empire of California actually broke the story and eventually it got national attention.

Jim, 4000th post!
 
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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 01:21 PM
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NO, no, no.....the mandatory sentence was there before Bush.
Please.. all know this isn't GWB's fault. The sentence was mandatory considering the charges..It had NADA to do with Mexico or America...it was set in stone according to the sentencing guidelines under the jurisdiction these poor guys were tried in.
It was wrong in my opinion...but it WAS!!!!
 
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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 04:04 PM
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I was talking about the charges. Law enforcement people are virtually NEVER charged as they were. It was the Justice Department, part of the Executive branch, of which GWB was the chief executive, who determined the charges.

Jim
 
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