watch this so funny
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We've got a '61 Peterbilt converted wrecker with a later BCIV that has a 5-4 combo and another 3 speed aux behind that. You don't have to use many of the gears with the 400, but I'll bet you stayed really busy with the old 220 that came out of it
Jason
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The thing is, I've generally lost all patience for TV because theres so much crap on there, so remembering the time of a show every day doesn't come naturally for me anymore. I still watch the news, but they all have 24 hour channels now.
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But if you noticed the guy in the International was using the clutch when he shifted, the guy in the Mack was not.
And he was shifting one transmission at a time, not both like the Mack driver was.
With bigger motors splitting gears with both shifters at the same time was not as critical as it was with the smaller engines.
Back in the day, grossing 80K pounds with a 220 Cummins or a 237 Mack or a 6V53/6V71 Detroit, you better be on with your shifting if you wanted to go anywhere.
Plus most of the trucks back then had manual steering, not power assist.
Things got a lot easier when engine HP went over 350 HP.
Power steering, single stick multi range transmissions, air ride suspension and air conditioning are all in the above 350 HP era for the most part.
And he was shifting one transmission at a time, not both like the Mack driver was.
With bigger motors splitting gears with both shifters at the same time was not as critical as it was with the smaller engines.
Back in the day, grossing 80K pounds with a 220 Cummins or a 237 Mack or a 6V53/6V71 Detroit, you better be on with your shifting if you wanted to go anywhere.
Plus most of the trucks back then had manual steering, not power assist.
Things got a lot easier when engine HP went over 350 HP.
Power steering, single stick multi range transmissions, air ride suspension and air conditioning are all in the above 350 HP era for the most part.
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Dave, do you remember the old 711/quadbox mack combo?
that was in my first real job truck that did not involve the farm. it was a 62 B-61 tandem dump truck.
the first truck i drove on the farm was a 49 international R190 single axle tractor with the big 6 cylinder gas engine and a quadbox. dad had cut the shifters down close to the floor so you could shift it single handed. i used it to haul hay from the fields to the barn for storage, and every once in a while i would help out and run a load of grain to the mill..
the"big truck" was an 59 international R220 tandem axle tractor with a 534? V8, and 5 speed with 2 speed rears.
we used this one to haul grain to the mill.
that was in my first real job truck that did not involve the farm. it was a 62 B-61 tandem dump truck.
the first truck i drove on the farm was a 49 international R190 single axle tractor with the big 6 cylinder gas engine and a quadbox. dad had cut the shifters down close to the floor so you could shift it single handed. i used it to haul hay from the fields to the barn for storage, and every once in a while i would help out and run a load of grain to the mill..
the"big truck" was an 59 international R220 tandem axle tractor with a 534? V8, and 5 speed with 2 speed rears.
we used this one to haul grain to the mill.
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I was trying very hard to forget them.
Back in those days Macks were the things that caused nightmares.
I only drove a few Macks, and that was a few to many.
The last one I drove was a late 60's R model with a 237 Maxidyne if I remember right.
Back in those days Macks were the things that caused nightmares.
I only drove a few Macks, and that was a few to many.
The last one I drove was a late 60's R model with a 237 Maxidyne if I remember right.
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Since they didn't have one last year because of terrorism I lost track of it this year.
I heard it was in South America this year. True?
I like watching the MAN trucks more than anything.
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The trucks are scary to watch, the funny thing is they are usually running the fastest average times because nothing gets in their way. Yes it was held in south america and some of the wide shots are nothing short of stunning. I had no idea they had such desserts down there.
I didn't follow it very well either and its over now. Maybe next year.
I didn't follow it very well either and its over now. Maybe next year.
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From: Southern Oregon USA
Back in the day, grossing 80K pounds with a 220 Cummins or a 237 Mack or a 6V53/6V71 Detroit, you better be on with your shifting if you wanted to go anywhere.
Plus most of the trucks back then had manual steering, not power assist.
Things got a lot easier when engine HP went over 350 HP.
Power steering, single stick multi range transmissions, air ride suspension and air conditioning are all in the above 350 HP era for the most part.
Plus most of the trucks back then had manual steering, not power assist.
Things got a lot easier when engine HP went over 350 HP.
Power steering, single stick multi range transmissions, air ride suspension and air conditioning are all in the above 350 HP era for the most part.
Fun to listen to the old timers talk about standing on the floor to manuever a turn, shifting those multi stick trannies, and some of the strange conglomerations of trucks they drove. And the crazy stuff they did. Some real characters.
Jason
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All I can say is thank God for big steering wheels.
I could crank that thing with one hand like it was power steering.
Steering involves every muscle from your feet up in the old trucks.
When it was shifting gears, steer with my left knee and grab both of those sticks at the same time and shift some gears.
I was riding with one of my friends in a Dodge 6 speed, his phone rang so I was shifting the truck for him with my left hand.
After the call he said I was rather good shifting left handed, even more so given how close the gates are on those six speeds.
All I could say was you have no idea how many left handed gear changes I have done before with another shifter in my right hand.
Good old days...yeah, I guess you could call them that.
We were all outlaws by todays standards though.
But we did have a bit of fun.
I could crank that thing with one hand like it was power steering.
Steering involves every muscle from your feet up in the old trucks.
When it was shifting gears, steer with my left knee and grab both of those sticks at the same time and shift some gears.
I was riding with one of my friends in a Dodge 6 speed, his phone rang so I was shifting the truck for him with my left hand.
After the call he said I was rather good shifting left handed, even more so given how close the gates are on those six speeds.
All I could say was you have no idea how many left handed gear changes I have done before with another shifter in my right hand.
Good old days...yeah, I guess you could call them that.
We were all outlaws by todays standards though.
But we did have a bit of fun.
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ain't that the truth Dave.
i can't tell you how many times i took people out for test drives only to find out thed lied and had no idea how to shift a non syncro trans.
then i have to shift from the paassenger seat because there is no place to stop and switch seats.
i will not hire a "driver" that has to use the clutch to shift a truck.
i can't tell you how many times i took people out for test drives only to find out thed lied and had no idea how to shift a non syncro trans.
then i have to shift from the paassenger seat because there is no place to stop and switch seats.
i will not hire a "driver" that has to use the clutch to shift a truck.
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It's about a 50/50 split of those that do and those that don't. I know of a lot of good veteran drivers that use the clutch and I wouldn't hesitate for a second to put them in one of mine. I think it is more important for them to shift smoothly, with little drivetrain shock and to not make the transmission sound like a HD coffee grinder.
I could never get used to shifting with the clutch, myself. About the only time I might touch the clutch is to come out of a gear on a new or rebuilt trans. Our drivetrain guy builds them REALLY tight.
Jason
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I lost the throw out bearing as I was getting ready to leave the toll booth at the Delaware Watering Gap (Pa. NJ line on 80) and took it to the shop in Denver.
Never did get my change or receipt for the toll since the truck wanted to leave NOW.
That driver that could not shift without the clutch, well I guess he would have been waiting for a wrecker to tow it to the shop and getting it fixed while I was delivering.
Never did get my change or receipt for the toll since the truck wanted to leave NOW.
That driver that could not shift without the clutch, well I guess he would have been waiting for a wrecker to tow it to the shop and getting it fixed while I was delivering.